Book Of Job

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    The Book of Job at its beginning, Job seems to be a book about human suffering. By its conclusion, the true subject of the book emerges: God’s sovereignty. As one of the longest books in the Bible, Job can be captured under four headings:

    “Prologue” (chapters 1 and 2): the setting for Job’s suffering;
    “Dialogues” (chapters 3 and 27): accusations and answers between Job and his friends;
    “Monologues” (chapters 28:1 to 42:6): discourses by Job, Elihu and God;
    “Epilogue” (chapter 42:7 - 17): Job’s understanding of God and Job’s restoration.
    “What does all of this mean”: Job speaks of foundational themes every human being contends with, especially in times of suffering.

    “God’s Character”: The book of Job defends the character of a loving and righteous God in spite of earth’s obvious evils and injustices. Although Job was unaware of the interaction between Satan and God, Job comes to the conclusion that God is just and good. That is the lesson of the book for anyone who questions God without access to all the facts (38:1-42:6).

    “Trust”: Job was forced to walk by faith rather than by sight (2 Cor. 5:7). He could not see what the reader sees in chapters 1 and 2. Job’s perspective is best summarized in 13:15 “Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him. Even so, I will defend my own ways before Him.” Job continued to plead his innocence before God but was prepared to die trusting Him.

    “Sovereignty”: Although Satan wreaked havoc in Job’s life on earth, the limits of his activity were (and are) clearly set by God. Satan can go only so far. This serves as a template for viewing evil on earth. Satan does not operate as a free agent but is always under the sovereign and deciding hand of God (chapters 1 and 2).
    So what does it mean for you?
    In Job’s most dreadful and difficult situation, this broken man caught startling glimpses of God and God’s work in his life beyond what he, or perhaps anyone else, had ever seen. Millennia before Jesus walked this earth as the God-Man, Job saw One who would be Redeemer, Mediator, Friend, Guide, Advocate, and Perfecter of faith, Job saw these intense, beautiful images through his tears.
    Those who turn fully to God in their great sorrow, even if they argue, plead, and protest in His presence as job did, will find a pathway nearer to the tender mercies of heaven than they have ever walked before.
    Believers talk about trusting in the Lord with their whole heart and refusing to lean on their own understanding. But no one really knows what that means until circumstances cast them headfirst into a dark and painful place. If we give ourselves fully to God in those moments, we will obtain keepsakes of Him to treasure now and forever.

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    Where did you plagiarize this from?
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    The Book of Job at its beginning, Job seems to be a book about human suffering. By its conclusion, the true subject of the book emerges: God’s sovereignty.


    Oh yes , JOB!  One of gods faithfuls treated like shite for a bet and to prove a point.  House collapses killing all of Jobs children, no worries, he can have others. All his livestock killed, no problem , he can get more.  His house is destroyed, no matter, he can build another. This god didn't let up did he. One would have thought the murder of  all his children by this psychopathic jealous god would have sufficed.
    Why wasn't the wager about converting a sinner to the path of righteousness.?

    It doesn't go unnoticed either that satan has been walking around free as a bird doing his thing one minute and the next he's having  a laugh and joke and good ole' chinwag and  betting with god who is faithful or not to whom. Tell me, what is worse than losing a child? Never mind ALL of ones children
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    The fall created suffering, 
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    The fall created suffering, 

    Have you read the story of Job or not? This was god's doing if you read it correctly. It was instigated by god, the fall isn't even mentioned and satan who had once been made a pariah and forced to crawl around on his belly was now sitting down after his leisurely sojourn chatting and having wagers with god. 
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    I hope there isn't anyone here who thinks Job is a 'true story'!

    Other than a passing reference in Zechariah this is the only OT book with Satan in it and its plain that Satan is a loyal servant of God, albeit a high-status one and he and god are almost matey!

    As a mere servant, Satan can only act against Job because God grants him the power to do so, which God does seemingly for no reason other than the bragging rights.

    I suppose it's intended to show how a good yhwhistic Hebrew should behave in the face of ill-fortune. 

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    genesis has Satan in it, The fall revolves around him
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    Citation.
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    I know, all godists run when asked for evidence.
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    That'snot evidence
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    T'was the serpent, not Satan, that tempteth Eve...

    It was probably John Milton's 'Paradise Lost' that made the confusion wide spread.  Great poem!

    Hail horrours, hail
    Infernal world, and thou profoundest Hell
    Receive thy new Possessor:   One who brings
    A mind not to be chang'd by Place or Time.
    The mind is its own place, and in it self
    Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.

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    interesting.
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    In PL satan takes on the form of a serpent in order to trick adam and Eve.

    The Serpent sleeping, in whose mazie foulds
    To hide me, and the dark intent I bring.
    O foul descent! that I who erst contended
    With Gods to sit the highest, am now constraind
    Into a Beast, and mixt with bestial slime,
    This essence to incarnate and imbrute,
    That to the hight of Deitie aspir’d;
    But what will not Ambition and Revenge
    Descend to?
    (Book 2, lines 161 etc).

    But that isn't biblical.

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    ok 
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    Satan in it and its plain that Satan is a loyal servant of God, albeit a high-status one and he and god are almost matey!

    As a mere servant, Satan can only act against Job because God grants him the power to do so, which God does seemingly for no reason other than the bragging rights. 


    Yes already pointed out. Your good at doing that. You either state the fkn obvious or repeat what someone has already said.


    I suppose it's intended to show how a good yhwhistic Hebrew should behave in the face of ill-fortune.  

    No, it was simply to prove himself who was boss , who had more influence and power of the two. It was a fkn wager at the end of the day not a lesson in how to pick yourself up and brush yourself off after losing everything you own and all you children.

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    No, it was simply to prove himself who was boss , who had more influence and power of the two. It was a fkn wager at the end of the day not a lesson in how to pick yourself up and brush yourself off after losing everything you own and all you children.
    Do you seriously propose the writer of Job only wanted to tell a funny story about God and Satan having a bet one day?  It is most deinitely a lesson in how no matter what a good yhwhist should not give up their faith in God's greatness.

    It is about who is boss, but not between God and Satan but between God and Man - and the answer given is most definitely 'God'.     God doesn't explain or justify his actions to Job - he doesn't have to. When Job asks, God puts him in hisplace and spends chapters 38,39,40 and 41 listing all the powers He has that Job does not.

    It has to be borne in mind that the Hebrew god was not the 'god of love' of Christianity but a god of power.  He was dangerous - you wanted to keep him 'on side' because then he would make sure your enemies were defeated and disasters were averted, but He was under no compulsion to be nice

    He had to be constantly bribed with sacrifices, worship and obedience or his power would be turned against you.  As a leader, he was Idi Amin, not Ghandi. 








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    Do you seriously propose the writer of Job only wanted to tell a funny story about God and Satan having a bet one day? 

    There was nothing funny about it , what are you now, a fk clown.

    what a good yhwhist should not give up their faith in God's greatness.

    It was power,and nothing to do with faith. 


    It has to be borne in mind that the Hebrew god was not the 'god of love' of Christianity but a god of power.

    FM! You just love stating the bleedin' obvious and repeating what has already been said, don't you?
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    What I said might be obvious - but it contradicts what you said!

    You posted "it was simply to prove himself who was boss , who had more influence and power of the two", implying it was about which of god and satan ('the two') was the more powerful.

    IMO, Job is not about that at all!

    Also you asked "Why wasn't the wager about converting a sinner to the path of righteousness.?"  Well, my answer is (as above):

    "It has to be borne in mind that the Hebrew god was not the 'god of love' of Christianity but a god of power.  He was dangerous - you wanted to keep him 'on side' because then he would make sure your enemies were defeated and disasters were averted, but He was under no compulsion to be nice

    He had to be constantly bribed with sacrifices, worship and obedience or his power would be turned against you.  As a leader, he was Idi Amin, not Ghandi."

    If you don't want obvious answers, don't ask stupid questions.