Throne of Glass Mafia DP1

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@bsh1
How is that a townie move lol? He literally took his vote off you with 2hrs left to distract the crowd and force a no lynch.

I have GP as strong scum now
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@bsh1
It's pointless to vote you now with 1hr left to make a decision. Clearly we are not gonna force a lynch on yourself so might as well go into the next game knowing my scum and who my vote was on if questioned
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Blah blah blah...
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@Vader
We're seeing this from different POVs. I know I am town. You don't.

If Grey were scum, he would know I was town too. So, if Grey were scum, he would have no reason to unvote me, because of how far along the lynchwagon was. Better for scum to secure a mislynch than to get a no-lynch, all other things being equal. So, if Grey were scum, it would have been irrational for him to have unvoted me.

But, again, if you feel so strongly about it, why haven't you voted me?
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@Vader
Eh, that doesn't make a ton of sense. It seems more logical from that POV to be on the bsh train in the hopes that one of the inactives might hammer or in the hopes that Grey might change his mind.
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@bsh1
You can call it terrible modding, even though it’s not. It just leaves the door open to all the possibilities just like a “no comment” would’ve done. And I could give each mafia 2 safe claims to choose from and leave them to pick whichever one would fit well with the roles and character claims revealed. You don’t know which of the 3 (plurality) I chose, hence the same thing as a “no comment.”
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VOTE COUNT

Bsh1 (3/6) - Wylted, oromagi, Disc

Disc (2/6) - bsh1, Greyparrot

Greyparrot (1/6) - SupaDudz

Please let me know if I’ve made any errors...

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@ILikePie5
No, because it creates added confusion. "No comment" doesn't do that. You have an obligation as a mod not to inject yourself into the game in a way that makes things more confusing. Because then your words become points of analysis or misdirection, and that's not what mafia is about. Players should always be able to trust that the mod is playing straight with them.

Does your intended meaning match either and only one of the two meanings I got out of it?
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@bsh1
I’m not going to confirm nor deny any of the points you made. Think of it as a “no comment.”
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@bsh1
And I am clarifying. Think of it as a “no comment.”
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@ILikePie5
You have an obligation to be straight with players. You have already commented in a way which created confusion, which means you have a duty to clean up the mess you made. 
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@bsh1
I already clarified. Think of the statement as a “no comment.” 
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@ILikePie5
That's not clarifying, because your original words clearly weren't "no comment." You cannot just say that and then hope, like it's a Jedi mind trick, that we won't see the original words you wrote and try to make meaning out them. You have a duty to explain exactly what you meant by those original words now that you've said them.
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@bsh1
I’m literally telling you that’s what I meant - all the options are on the table.
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ATTENTION

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@ILikePie5
That is clearly not what those words meant. There is no way that you can extract "all options are available" from the answer you gave. Either clarify, or I quit the game.
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@Vader
keep in mind GP's hider claim is testable:  we have set an expectation that he breadcrumb his target and we will want him to tell us who he hid behind next DP.  GP should be able to confirm a town or kill a scum or he will have to try to fake it which might be falsifiable.  Any way you look at it, GP's not a good lynch candidate
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"I do not give every mafia a safe claim" =/= "all options are open"

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@bsh1
Bruh, it’s called me being fluffy with my answer. I’m clarifying that that statement meant that anything is possible. Here are the options:

I gave only one mafia a safe claim

I didn’t give any mafia a safe claim

I gave each mafia more than one safe claim.

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@oromagi
Grey should not breadcrumb his target, because then he risks mafia IDing his target, giving the mafia the chance to NK two townies at once. I believe that hiders die if the person behind which they are hiding also dies. Though, correct me if I am wrong.
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@ILikePie5
Next time, if you mean no comment, say "no comment." Deliberately deceptive commentary is a shitty way to mod a game. 

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@bsh1
Aight.
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From Drafter's list of mafia roles, re: Hider: "Each night you may select another player. If you do so, no other player may target you directly. If your target dies, you will die to."
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@Greyparrot
See post 290. 

We will want a debrief on your actions next DP, though.
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I'm logging off for a bit. I'll miss the DP's end. 

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@Vader
Him removing his vote [to] DD when we had a lynch candidate on bsh1 is scum

Lol what? If he thinks that I am more likely to be scum then he should vote for me. What are you talking about here?
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VTL bsh1
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I am okay with a no-lynch today though I would prefer to lynch bsh. We have 10 players and are on track for MyLo, mathematically it is better for town for there to be 9 players on track for LyLo.
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You’re right. Nine players is better. Unvote
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@Discipulus_Didicit
wait are we lynching bag or not because I have no idea what to do