trump's 'go back to your own country' comments were racist

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Americans talk about "Africa" like a country all the time.  Like half of us have no lucid concept of the international geography, other than it looks like a horse.  That's just how some people are accustomed to speak.  Its in our media.  Its everywhere.  You are just giving that person you are speaking with a hard time.
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i disagree. even if trump was right that they came from shit holes doesnt mean it's safe to assume it based on their skin color. it's still a racist thing to do.... 
You don't even know that he was assuming that and based off that assumption you call him racist.

He knew that Omar was from Somalia, so why wouldn't he know about the others?

there was no reason to link them with their home countries other than race.
How about the fact that they were all in immigrant families?
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i can't assume trump didn't know they were from shit hole countries, but superficially looking at it, id say it's probably the best bet. 

even if they came from shit hole countries, and trump knew it.... it only makes trump's comments less unreasonable. even people from shit hole countries should be considered to have their opinions respected in their own right and not having to do with their ancesters just based on their skin color, at least if they were born here and are removed from their origin. i mean, people immigrating to the usa from shit hole countries and trying to enact policies to make us like that, should be criticized, but that's not what happened here. 


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so are you guys saying people from shit hole countries should always have their opinions tied to their homeland even if they were born here and are removed from their ancestry? 
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These four people, the so-called "Squad", ran on their POC-ness. The fact that they were not white men. It wasn't "I got elected on my merits as a leader and experience as a civil servant and I just happened to be a Latina woman". No, their POC-ness is essential to their political careers. If AOC had been a 29 year-old white male with no qualifications to office save a bachelor's degree and a dead-end career as a bartender somewhere, I can assure you nobody would know who she is today.
For that reason, for Trump to bring up their race even as a bludgeon against them is not contextually racist, though it might fit a technical definition of such.
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Alexandria Cortez was actually unpopular in her own (deep blue) state last I checked.  Her district is an outlier in that respect.

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Now I know what you're going to say: "Trump had no qualifications either". That is true. The only reason he had a platform in the first place was because he was a famous billionaire. So you can mock him for his business difficulties, occasional shady dealing, and so on.
He did not win because he was a white male. His grandfather was an immigrant from Germany, and thus his family's last name would've been an albatross around their neck for a long time due to *ahem* some bad things that happened between Germany and other countries. It's been said that for a long time the Trump family even tried to downplay this by claiming to be of Swedish heritage instead. In 2016 Trump beat out a very large field of other white males, and could next year feasibly lose to a black woman (Kamala Harris). So his race and sex were never central to his political career, unlike certain other people now.
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I'm sorry, this racist crap is an issue close to my heart.


Trump does not come off as racist to me.


You know who comes off as racist to me? Democrats when they say things like "the black vote" or "the black communities opinion" etc.

Or worse yet, that if you don't vote democrat you are a house nigger or an uncle Tom. Or that if you speak with good diction you are talking white. Or how about associating blackness with low life culture?


Yeah, democrats have always come off as more racist to me. Apparently requiring an ID to vote is racist because I guess black people are too stupid to get identification. 


Really, it is obvious to me thst democrats are actually the white supremacists, and they think that blacks need their special treatment, because hey oh, blacks weren't born with the innate privledge of being so white and superior.

Don't get me wrong, racism is a real thing. But the ones who talk about race the most are the ones who seem to have the biggest issue with it.

Donald Trump? I don't believe he is racist.

But I said it before, and I'll say it again. The best argument for Donald Trump being racist is thst the party that created the KKK insists that he is.


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Black/ White.

As ever the argument is not ostensibly about Race, but about perceived differences and consequent paranoia, mostly relative to skin tone. Which is somewhat rich coming from such a young Nation that was founded on immigration and multi-culturalism.

A German President with a Slovenian wife, who was previously married to a Czech woman. Just about sums up fair skinned hypocrisy and paranoia.


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But I said it before, and I'll say it again. The best argument for Donald Trump being racist is thst the party that created the KKK insists that he is.
If your best argument is a historical link that bears no modern relevancy whatsoever, it must be rather poor.
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But I said it before, and I'll say it again. The best argument for Donald Trump being racist is thst the party that created the KKK insists that he is.
If your best argument is a historical link that bears no modern relevancy whatsoever, it must be rather poor.

Yeah, I'm kind of jealous of that one liner.  
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Here's part of an interview Clint Eastwood had with the Esquire in 2016.  The first section is just offhand remarks about his career.  Its somewhat relevant just because of the way he talks.  2nd paragraph he starts getting into his highly sophisticated political analysis.  The third he delves into a political blunder when he talked to an empty chair, and offers a first hand perspective.

ESQ: Scott, do you think you've picked up any of Clint's instincts?
SE: I've tried to take every opportunity I can to learn from him. I flew to Georgia to see him work on Sully. Every chance I get, I'm trying to be on set with him.
CE: He's doing great. He's on the right track.
SE: I think he's got a knack for picking good material.
CE: You know it when you see it. But by the same token, you have to keep an open mind. It's so easy to get to a certain spot and say, "This is very comfortable." My agent begged me not to do Every Which Way but Loose.
SE: [Laughs.] That always cracks me up.
CE: And my lawyer begged me not to do it: "This is a piece of shit. It's not the kind of thing you do." And I said, "It's not the kind of thing that I've been doing—all these pictures where I'm shooting people. I want something you can take your kids to." I said, "I like this character. I think it's hip that the girl dumps the guy and it's not happy ever after." And the public loved it. If you make a couple decisions where your instincts worked well, why would you abandon them?
SE: He always told me that. "Nobody knows anything, so don't listen to anyone else."
CE: Nobody knows diddly. They just think they do. And the people that think they know the most know the least.

ESQ: Your characters have become touchstones in the culture, whether it's Reagan invoking "Make my day" or now Trump … I swear he's even practiced your scowl.
CE: Maybe. But he's onto something, because secretly everybody's getting tired of political correctness, kissing up. That's the kiss-ass generation we're in right now. We're really in a pussy generation. Everybody's walking on eggshells. We see people accusing people of being racist and all kinds of stuff. When I grew up, those things weren't called racist. And then when I did Gran Torino, even my associate said, "This is a really good script, but it's politically incorrect." And I said, "Good. Let me read it tonight." The next morning, I came in and I threw it on his desk and I said, "We're starting this immediately."
ESQ: What is the "pussy generation"?
CE: All these people that say, "Oh, you can't do that, and you can't do this, and you can't say that." I guess it's just the times.
ESQ: What do you think Trump is onto?
CE: What Trump is onto is he's just saying what's on his mind. And sometimes it's not so good. And sometimes it's … I mean, I can understand where he's coming from, but I don't always agree with it.
ESQ: So you're not endorsing him?
CE: I haven't endorsed anybody. I haven't talked to Trump. I haven't talked to anybody. You know, he's a racist now because he's talked about this judge. And yeah, it's a dumb thing to say. I mean, to predicate your opinion on the fact that the guy was born to Mexican parents or something. He's said a lot of dumb things. So have all of them. Both sides. But everybody—the press and everybody's going, "Oh, well, that's racist," and they're making a big hoodoo out of it. Just fucking get over it. It's a sad time in history.



ESQ: What troubles you the most?
CE: We're not really … what troubles me is … I guess when I did that silly thing at the Republican convention, talking to the chair …
ESQ: I didn't say it was silly.
CE: It was silly at the time, but I was standing backstage and I'm hearing everybody say the same thing: "Oh, this guy's a great guy." Great, he's a great guy. I've got to say something more. And so I'm listening to an old Neil Diamond thing and he's going, "And no one heard at all / Not even the chair." And I'm thinking, That's Obama. He doesn't go to work. He doesn't go down to Congress and make a deal. What the hell's he doing sitting in the White House? If I were in that job, I'd get down there and make a deal. Sure, Congress are lazy bastards, but so what? You're the top guy. You're the president of the company. It's your responsibility to make sure everybody does well. It's the same with every company in this country, whether it's a two-man company or a two-hundred-man company… . And that's the pussy generation—nobody wants to work.
ESQ: You've campaigned for office. If you were going to write a stump speech for this election, what would you say?
CE: "Knock it off. Knock everything off." All these people out there rattling around the streets and stuff, shit. They're boring everybody. Chesty Puller, a great Marine general, once said, "You can run me, and you can starve me, and you can beat me, and you can kill me, but don't bore me." And that's exactly what's happening now: Everybody is boring everybody. It's boring to listen to all this shit. It's boring to listen to these candidates.


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Donald Trump is obviously not anti-immigrant, he has a problem with illegal immigration. Political slander obscures this issue.

And if you don't like this country, maybee you should go somewhere else. No one is forcing you to stay, and no one is forcing you to leave.
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People are attacking him left and right.  Those four women got together and just bashed him over and over again, saying millions of people are dying because of him, kids are dying and being caged because of him,  which is ridiculous.  Millions of people are not dying, and a few kids that were sick... died while they were in the US, or trying to get to it.  People die all the time, you don't hear about it.  With the amount of people down there, someone is going to die.  We just don't have the means to care for them and keep our laws intact, which is what some Democrats are completely happy with.  They probably hope more children die.   

He isn't saying these things because he disagrees with them, he is saying these things because they are throwing him under the bus and accusing him of killing people.  What would you do if someone accused you of killing people?    

And to tell you the truth, pretty much everyone does get healthcare, even illegal immigrants.  We are almost a democratic socialist country right now, we are getting closer and closer to that without people really noticing.  Luckily we have another party to try to keep the balance.  

Did you notice that the left wing media is not calling them illegal immigrants anymore?  They are just calling them immigrants when referring to the people in the country illegally.  They have phased it out in the media.  Watch the crap news tonight and see how they refer to them.  It is brainwashing and it is working.

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If the Congress was filled with AOC's and Pelosi was president, kids would still be dying crossing deserts to get to this country.

There's no quick fix no matter what they tell you.
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Appealing to racism has worked for the GoP. It will stop working when there's a sufficient number of minority voters.
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What kind of minority are you talking about, Non-Racists or Races?

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I was referring to non-whites.
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Commies run the house!
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What about the non-whites that self identify as being culturally white? That's like 15% of the country atm.
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It doesn't matter if loyalists believe the comments were (Qualitatively) "racist" or even (Qualitatively) "offensive".

The point is that the loyalists don't think it's a big deal (the other side says stuff that's just as bad or worse...).

"People shouldn't be so quick to take offense" they say, and yet they all freak out when someone suggests they might be racists.

They sound like precious republican snowflakes.

You can't constantly tell everyone else to "toughen up" and then scream like babies when someone else says something you don't like.
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Quick everybody rush to the defense of the special needs kiddie.
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Did you notice that the right wing media is not calling them illegal immigrants anymore?  They are just calling them MS13 drug dealers and rapists and invaders when referring to the people seeking legal entry.  They have phased it out in the media.  Watch the crap news tonight and see how they refer to them.  It is brainwashing and it is working.
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I will say this one more time.  We are a nation of laws, and for good reason.  The only thing that has changed from the past is the fact that now women and children are making the trek, or at least trying to, and if they make it, they are getting separated, just like they always have .... which is heartbreaking, but the more inviting we are... the more people that make the trek, the more that get sick, or get hurt, get lost along the way, or we find them dead in the Rio Grande.  No one really cared when it was only men coming across, I understand why, because men are different.... right?  I find it mesmerizing that the people with so called "empathy" do not see this problem that they are causing.  I wish we could help everyone on earth, but the truth is, we cannot.  

I have learned this the hard way, with multiple people living at my house for either free or very low rent, which is why I now have many locks on my door.  I was generous to too many people that just needed help. Not one out of the 5 people and one family... (husband, wife and child) that I let move into my house, did not take advantage of my generosity.  We need to treat the country like our homes, because it is, and people will take advantage, especially if they are fleeing poverty, which I think most are.

I've always liked Clint Eastwood.   


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I find it mesmerizing that the people with so called "empathy" do not see this problem that they are causing.
FACTORS:
Immigrants came for new opportunities because in Europe, peasants displaced from agriculture and artisans were made jobless from the industrial revolution. Some immigrants received "American Letters" which were encouraging friends and relatives to join them in America.

IMMIGRANTS:
German (escaping economic problems and seeking political freedom), British, Irish (poverty and famine encouraged emigration).

FACTS:
-The Roman Catholic church was the single largest religious body in the United States by 1850.
-Steamships and railroad companies recruited immigrants as customers.
-About 40 percent of the immigrants from the second wave came from Ireland. [LINK]

Another major wave of immigration occurred from around 1815 to 1865. The majority of these newcomers hailed from Northern and Western Europe. Approximately one-third came from Ireland, which experienced a massive famine in the mid-19th century. In the 1840s, almost half of America’s immigrants were from Ireland alone. Typically impoverished, these Irish immigrants settled near their point of arrival in cities along the East Coast. Between 1820 and 1930, some 4.5 million Irish migrated to the United States.

Also in the 19th century, the United States received some 5 million German immigrants. Many of them journeyed to the present-day Midwest to buy farms or congregated in such cities as Milwaukee, St. Louis and Cincinnati. In the national census of 2000, more Americans claimed German ancestry than any other group.

During the mid-1800s, a significant number of Asian immigrants settled in the United States. Lured by news of the California gold rush, some 25,000 Chinese had migrated there by the early 1850s.

The influx of newcomers resulted in anti-immigrant sentiment among certain factions of America’s native-born, predominantly Anglo-Saxon Protestant population. The new arrivals were often seen as unwanted competition for jobs, while many Catholics–especially the Irish–experienced discrimination for their religious beliefs. In the 1850s, the anti-immigrant, anti-Catholic American Party (also called the Know-Nothings) tried to severely curb immigration, and even ran a candidate, former U.S. president Millard Fillmore (1800-1874), in the presidential election of 1856.

Following the Civil War, the United States experienced a depression in the 1870s that contributed to a slowdown in immigration. [LINK]
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We need to treat the country like our homes, because it is...
I see, so I'm guessing your home has a functioning economy and you print your own money and you have signed peace treaties with your neighbors?

You probably also make people fill out applications months in advance before visiting your home.

Is your home run by a democratically elected leader?  Do you have free and fair elections?

Please tell me more about how your home is like a country.
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It's not like Bernie Sanders said the same thing about Baltimore and that Trump referred to New Hampshire, a white state a drug haven,right
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First of all, if you're going to come here and claim that Trump tweeted some "racist" things, like many liberals have been doing for years, you could at least link the tweets next time so that we can all see them in the full context just to make sure you aren't taking anything out of context, and that we both understand the same thing... so here they are.

Also, just in case they happen to get deleted off of twitter or something, here is a screenshot; https://i.imgur.com/99pvmTf.png

Secondly, I don't see any racism in those tweets. Trump hasn't said one word about the Black race, the White race, the colored race, the Native/Indian race, or the Asian race.... so which race was Trump being racist towards? The liberal race? The race to screw up this country? The race of ignorance??

Third, Trump was talking about how arrogant people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez were being, thinking that they knew exactly what needed to be done for this country, not realizing that their stupid ideas such as Democratic Socialism/Green New Deal are unrealistic, and that maybe they should go to a different country to see if those ideas work, and "Then come back and show us how it is done." He wasn't talking about any race at all.
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Did you use the word ignorant? Oh dear.