Pokemon Mafia DP 3

Yeah...To Water's point, have you claimed?

You're the UB right?

mharman: 1/6 (wylted)

Water: 1/6 (bsh)

Pie 1/6 (Club)

Club, I will count your vote this time but for future votes they must be bolded.

VTL Phione

Wait, I might be on to something big. 

I'm all ears

I am waiting for warren to get back to me. Gah...

-Wylted

 Warren, or someone else? And did you PM him, because I don't see anything here

Yes, and?

I think I might be onto something big too.

PM

nac

You are the UB, right?

What's a UB?

Yes. Have you noticed how Disc was a 1x Bulletproof?

Universal backup

So, you are still UB?

 How did you guess that he was UB, though?

He claimed it earlier, lol.

Oh, really? Where?

Sometime last DP. IDK where exactly, but you're free to look.

Got my reply from Warren. Typing up post now. Not really a breakthrough so much as it muddies the waters still more, as if we needed it.

I'm still waiting for a reply on my question.

So, I wanted to be doubly sure about Club, because if I was going to consider him town-confirmed, I wanted to be right. So I talked to Warren about a hypothetical poison doctor (PD) role. He told me that in the event of just one poisoner (who cannot fake poison) being in the game, that any PD would act during the night phase. Conversely, Warren said that in the event of two poisoners being in the game (or one poisoner who could fake poison), that a hypothetical PD would act during the day phase. If you ask Warren "if there is only one poisoner in this game, would poison doctor be a day role," he should confirm this information in your PM as well. To break this down:

This is important, because Club claims to be an "even-day poison doctor." Given Warren's reply to me, Club's claim can only be true if and only if there are either (a) two poisoners in the game or (b) one poisoner who can fake poison someone. This information opens up some permutations of reality.

Club could be mafia lying about his role and there is no PD in this game; instead, there is only a poisoner who can fake poison, thus allowing Club to get his mafia fake claim role-confirmed. Club could be town telling the truth and legitimately saved Wylted from poisoning, in which case it is not clear whether there are two poisoners or one poisoner who can fake poison in the game. Club could be town telling the truth about his role and did not save Wylted because Wylted was fake-poisoned. Club could be town lying or mistaken about his role. If you can see any more options than these, let me know.

In three out of these four options, Club is town. I still tend to think based on the fact that Wylted is not dead, we should townread Club. Plus, lynching a claimed protective role would not be helpful at this point without strong reasons to suspect guilt. But, based on this analysis, we cannot town-confirm Club until, perhaps, the poisoner(s) flip. I get that this is a fine distinction, but it is important to delineate between townread and town-confirmed.

Thoughts? Am I being illogical here, because this was rather convoluted...?

Your question was functionally answered by mine, since I wouldn't have asked it if I hadn't acknowledged what you said. Please now answer mine.

Turned out not to be as big a deal as I thought, because Warren's responses were confusing and I got the wrong impression from them. It took me awhile to make sense of it.

That's all crazy, but I agree

I apologise though, I have SO MUCH stuff to do before school starts do I'm gonna get back to you tomorrow with more analysis

Yeah...it is hurting my brain. Have fun with school stuff, lol. Ouch...

Help me pressure inactives.