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    Clearly stated premise:

    The dissolution of the core family unit and the associated break-down of social trust is a fundamental contributor to crime.
    Please speak up if you disagree.

    The average American school gets about $20,000.00 per year per-child.

    Conservatives have been pressing for a while now to get that per-child funding converted to a voucher, ostensibly to fund private (often religious) charter schools. They (post-hoc) rationalize this as a "free-market solution".

    This seems problematic on its face for a number of reasons, separation of church and state for one, but more significantly because these private schools are not required to have the same oversight as public schools and are not required to make the same accommodations for students with special needs.

    However, imagine for a moment that instead of handing these vouchers to private for-profit institutions, the parents had the option to CASH IT IN THEMSELVES.

    Imagine how many mothers and fathers could stop working long hours to make ends-meet and could instead spend more time with their kids.

    Financial stress is a major contributing factor for divorce and marital strife which both have demonstrable negative, often life-long effects on children (contributing to anti-social behavior, depression, suicide and criminality behavior).

    If everyone had the option to get a supplemental income of $60,000.00 per year to home-school their 3 children, don't you think they'd jump at the chance?

    It wouldn't affect inflation because it's not NEW money, it's just the same money that's already being spent, it would just be going to different people (trickle-up economics).

    Welfare, for people with children anyway, could practically disappear overnight.

    Imagine the former public school teachers working as private tutors with (for example) six students and making $120,000.00 a year.

    (1) Do you think this proposal (Fix-US) would generate more or fewer criminals?

    (2) Do you think this proposal (Fix-US) would generate more or fewer school-shootings?

    (3) Do you think this proposal (Fix-US) would generate more or fewer cases of child abuse/neglect?

    Your scathing critique is requested.
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    I don't really have any critique because I generally agree.  Long ago I recall seeing a new clip or something similar where some well-to-do families with similar aged children got together, rented a space and hired a teacher for their children.  They controlled the class room size and interviewed for the teaching position.  Imo this is the best way to do it if and when possible.  The teacher was actually paid better than the public sector and had a manageable class size.
    Here's the problem though.  There would be too much disruption of people constantly changing or wanting to be in control etc.  The personal responsibility and accountability for a suggestion like you posted wouldn't work for many people for those reasons imo.  I mean it should work but I don't have faith in the general public because people are what they are.
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    Guess you like socialist policies. 
  • TheDredPriateRoberts
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    letting people group together to hire a teacher etc is a socialist policy?  it's their choice, the individuals choice, I don't believe that is socialism, but please, tell me what else I like oh knowledgeable one.
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    letting people group together to hire a teacher etc is a socialist policy?
    Please tell me step by step how will these be funded and distributed.
    it's their choice, the individuals choice, I don't believe that is socialism, but please, tell me what else I like oh knowledgeable one.
    Are you implying socialism equals no choice? I don't like socialism but I don't make a claim like that. Guess it must come with the ideology which is conservatism. 

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    I don't believe schools, k-12 is socialism, if you think it is please show us
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    Please tell me step by step how will these be funded and distributed.
    With the $20,000.00 per year per-child funds that are currently being used for public schools.

    Distributed to the parents of the children (trickle-up economics).
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    Guess it must come with the ideology which is conservatism. 
    Are you a nihilist and a conservative?
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    Are you a nihilist and a conservative?
    No. That guess part was me stating pirates was a conservative. 
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    With the $20,000.00 per year per-child funds that are currently being used for public schools.

    Distributed to the parents of the children (trickle-up economics).

    Where is the money coming from? Tell me definition of socialism as well. 
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    I don't believe schools, k-12 is socialism, if you think it is please show us

    Can you please explain the process of how this would occur instead of what you always do is say no? I would like you to say what is clearly obvious but you fail to see it. I just want to see if you haven't delusioned yourself into removing a key component of this entire. Start with funding and end wherever you like but after distributing. 
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    if there are private and public schools or school choice then there is no "control over production" also it's not controlled by the workers so....

    my link said it best
    "The argument that all government action is socialism really does either a disservice to those arguing for socialism or reveals the great dangers of government power: If you’re claiming that everything that government does is socialism, then you don’t get to cherry-pick the “good” while ignoring the bad."
    "The socialists are clear about their definition of socialism and it involves controlling businesses and property through democratic action. Just because there is government, doesn’t make it socialism."
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    Where is the money coming from?
    Property taxes.

    Tell me definition of socialism as well. 
    Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterized by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management,[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership can be public, collective or cooperative ownership, or citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] with social ownership being the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15] [LINK]
  • TheRealNihilist
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    Property taxes.
    What are taxes?

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    Doesn't have to be a control over production to be a socialist policy. Please do read my first common directed at you. 
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    What are taxes?
    Theft?
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    Doesn't have to be a control over production to be a socialist policy. Please do read my first common directed at you. 
    Please be more specific.
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    #3 was your first comment to me "Guess you like socialist policies."  Then I asked you how you defined it and you didn't/won't or can't answer it, instead you try to put that on me.
    I'll wait for YOUR definition since there is not just one.
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    Search up socialism define:

    "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

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    Theft?
    No. No moral interpretation simply state what they are.

    A car is a vehicle which gets you to point A to B. This is commonly used by humans to travel. 
  • TheDredPriateRoberts
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    do you honestly believe that "political distribution is owned or regulated by the community as a whole" via government?  is the government "the community"?  
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    do you honestly believe that "political distribution is owned or regulated by the community as a whole" via government?  is the government "the community"?  
    Socialist policy.

    A capitalist policy would be abolishing minimum wage. This doesn't mean it the state supports the entirety of capitalism. It just means it supports a policy that more closely aligns to capitalism than socialism.

    What do you say to that?
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    is there a difference between a social policy and a socialist policy?
    I think there's a difference between social and socialism
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    is there a difference between a social policy and a socialist policy?
    I think there's a difference between social and socialism

    Is there a difference between a capital policy and a capitalist policy?

    Please come back to me. I would like to know how you rationalize this. 
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    What are taxes?
    Theft?
    No. No moral interpretation simply state what they are.

    A car is a vehicle which gets you to point A to B. This is commonly used by humans to travel. 

    In this context, the tax is a confiscation of monetary capital.  It should be predictable and something people can account for.  In general terms, tax is considered something of a burdensome imposition.