Does the Nanny state make for a better life?

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    Studies show that people that life in welfare states like Denmark or Germany are happier and live bette lives and many people equate welfare spending with socialism though most welfare states were designed by liberals and implemented by conservatives to blunt the appeal of socialist ideology, but the welfare state version of capitalism works 
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    Germany is not a "welfare" state
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    the hell it isnt its the oldest welfare state on earth!!! 
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    Otto von Bismarck, the powerful Chancellor of Germany (in office 1871–90), developed the first modern welfare state by building on a tradition of welfare programs in Prussia and Saxony that had begun as early as in the 1840s.
    Welfare state - Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Welfare_state  ironically the hardedt working people in the world have the oldest and most genrous welfare policies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state#Germany

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    So? Wlefare is in almost every country plus Germany sucks and is a shithole
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    and you know that how? it has one of the best standards of living and the best qualities of life, and name calling isn't an argument its proof you don't have one 
    #10 in Quality of Life Rankings
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    Germany, the most populous nation in the European Union, possesses one of the largest economies in the world and has seen its role in the international community grow steadily since reunification. The Central European country borders nine nations, and its landscape varies, from the northern plains that reach to the North and Baltic seas to the Bavarian Alps in the south.
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    Its because it has cars and a high population.

    #10 is bad

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    #17 in Quality of Life Rankings
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    The United States of America is a North American nation that is the world’s most dominant economic and military power. Likewise, its cultural imprint spans the world, led in large part by its popular culture expressed in music, movies and television. In 2016 the country elected Donald Trump president. Trump's rhetoric and stances on issues including immigration and foreign trade have raised questions around the world, including from the country’s closest allies, about the nation’s future course on the global stage.
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    17 is worse loser

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    Its because of cities like Detroit and slums where Democrats run it
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    Plus our economy is a hella lot stronger
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      Canada takes up about two-fifths of the North American continent, making it the second-largest country in the world after Russia. The country is sparsely populated, with most of its 35.5 million residents living within 125 miles of the U.S. border. Canada’s expansive wilderness to the north plays a large role in Canadian identity, as does the country’s reputation of welcoming immigrants.
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      The Kingdom of Sweden, flanked by Norway to the west and the Baltic Sea to the east, expands across much of the Scandinavian Peninsula and is one of the largest countries in the European Union by land mass. Capital city Stockholm was claimed in the 16th century, and border disputes through the Middle Ages established the modern-day nation.
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    • look at the list all the best nations are nanny stateshttps://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-rankings


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    So what about quality of life,they are no difference and are all developed nations
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    so what? thats your brilliant argument so what life  the nanny state has been proven to create a better life? face it i beat you here you aint got squat frank
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    socialism is not welfare, capitalism is completely normal with welfare
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    is it? so you ar eokay with a wlfare state the size it is in germany? https://www.pitt.edu/~heinisch/ca_germ.html
    or this Codetermination in Germany is a concept that involves the right of workers to participate in management of the companies they work for.[1] Known as Mitbestimmung, the modern law on codetermination is found principally in the Mitbestimmungsgesetz of 1976. The law allows workers to elect representatives (usually trade union representatives) for almost half of the supervisory board of directors. The legislation is separate from the main German company law Act for public companies, the Aktiengesetz. It applies to public and private companies, so long as there are over 2,000 employees. For companies with 500–2,000 employees, one third of the supervisory board must be elected.
    There is also legislation in Germany, known as the Betriebsverfassungsgesetz,[2] whereby workers are entitled to form Works Councils at local shop floor level.Codetermination in Germany is a concept that involves the right of workers to participate in management of the companies they work for.[1] Known as Mitbestimmung, the modern law on codetermination is found principally in the Mitbestimmungsgesetz of 1976. The law allows workers to elect representatives (usually trade union representatives) for almost half of the supervisory board of directors. The legislation is separate from the main German company law Act for public companies, the Aktiengesetz. It applies to public and private companies, so long as there are over 2,000 employees. For companies with 500–2,000 employees, one third of the supervisory board must be elected.
    There is also legislation in Germany, known as the Betriebsverfassungsgesetz,[2] whereby workers are entitled to form Works Councils at local shop floor level.  Codetermination in Germany is a concept that involves the right of workers to participate in management of the companies they work for.[1] Known as Mitbestimmung, the modern law on codetermination is found principally in the Mitbestimmungsgesetz of 1976. The law allows workers to elect representatives (usually trade union representatives) for almost half of the supervisory board of directors. The legislation is separate from the main German company law Act for public companies, the Aktiengesetz. It applies to public and private companies, so long as there are over 2,000 employees. For companies with 500–2,000 employees, one third of the supervisory board must be elected.
    There is also legislation in Germany, known as the Betriebsverfassungsgesetz,[2] whereby workers are entitled to form Works Councils at local shop floor level.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codetermination_in_Germany you dont find this the least bit socialistic? then fine we are in argreement because thats all i am advocating for

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    so you ar eokay with a wlfare state the size it is in germany?....
    This is basically what socialism as a political force has been relegated to these days. They've conceded the real debate, and they're reduced to appealing to populism within a capitalist framework for their political entities to have any relevance, their vestigial persistence hinged upon the ignorance of the masses.
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    animals born in captivity don't know they are in a zoo, they don't know what it's like to be free, some think they are happy in a gilded cage, but are they really?  If that's the case why is their immigration not on pare or exceeds that of the U.S.?  By immigration I mean normal, not because people are fleeing.
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    no 
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    1.3 million Swedish immigrants to the USA can't all be wrong lol.

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    Studies show that people that life in welfare states like Denmark or Germany are happier and live bette lives
    Pray tell, how do these studies gauge happiness and living better lives?

    and many people equate welfare spending with socialism though most welfare states were designed by liberals
    Because welfare spending is socialist; it's origin is in 17th century European feudalism, stemming to the communist revolutions of late 19th century to 20th century. Even the Nazis had welfare programs, which Franklin Delano Roosevelt was "inspired by" and decided to implement in the United States.

    but the welfare state version of capitalism works 
    There's no "welfare state version of capitalism." The countries of which you speak, including the United States, have been quasi-communist states since the early 20th century. They allow certain sectors to be private.
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    There is also nothing actually "liberal" at all about socialism. It's authoritative theft from successful people to unsuccessful people.

    Yet another political misnomer designed to mislead the masses as politicians abuse power.
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    Please explain the significant difference that occurred in the early 20th century.

    Does "quasi-communist" mean a centrally coordinated economy?  
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    A Centrally planned economy occurred under FDR with his handpicked SCOTUS'S decision changing the original meaning of the Constitutional Commerce Clause.

    Specifically, Wickard Vs. Filburn is the exact moment when America became a partially socialist nation backed by the Constitution.
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    The Legatum Prosperity Index is an annual ranking developed by the Legatum Institute, a division of the private investment firm Legatum. The ranking is based on a variety of factors including wealth, economic growth, education, health, personal well-being, and quality of life.
    Legatum Prosperity Index - Wikipedia
    The World Happiness Report 2019, which ranks 156 countries by how happy their citizens perceive themselves to be, according to their evaluations of their own lives, was launched today at the United Nations. The report was produced in partnership with The Ernesto Illy Foundation.Mar 20, 2019
    Finland Again is the Happiest Country in the World | The ...

    worldhappiness.report › news › finland-again-is-the-happiest-country-in-the-...   NEW YORK, March 20 – As in 2018, Finland again takes the top spot as the happiest country in the world according to three years of surveys taken by Gallup from 2016-2018. Rounding out the rest of the top ten are countries that have consistently ranked among the happiest. They are in order: Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Sweden, New Zealand, Canada and Austria. The US ranked 19th dropping one spot from last year.
    This year, the Report analyzes how life evaluations and emotions, both positive and negative, have evolved over the whole run of the Gallup World Poll, starting in 2005-2006. For life evaluations at the national level, there have been more gainers than losers.NEW YORK, March 20 – As in 2018, Finland again takes the top spot as the happiest country in the world according to three years of surveys taken by Gallup from 2016-2018. Rounding out the rest of the top ten are countries that have consistently ranked among the happiest. They are in order: Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Sweden, New Zealand, Canada and Austria. The US ranked 19th dropping one spot from last year.
    This year, the Report analyzes how life evaluations and emotions, both positive and negative, have evolved over the whole run of the Gallup World Poll, starting in 2005-2006. For life evaluations at the national level, there have been more gainers than losers.https://s3.amazonaws.com/happiness-report/2019/WHR19.pdf  

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    and socialists run vienna the nicest city in the world, democrats run all major cities good or bad do some research they run the nice ones too
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    FDR AND THE NEW DEAL WERE A GOLDEN AGE FOR THE COMMON MAN