the impeachment inquiry is a witch hunt

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I have priorities. Let's tackle the 1.5 billion dollar scandals and millions to Hunter before we go chasing down the 2 scoop of icecream scandals and the corruption of misrepresenting how many people watched the Orangeman's inauguration.
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So your priority is to go after someone who has never held public office and someone who doesn't currently hold public office and might never hold one again? Your priority seems to be to go after your enemies and not to target corruption. 
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Let's see what falls out of the tree. Trump just started shaking the branches.
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vox,HAHA
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Let's see what falls out of the tree. Trump just started shaking the branches.
The things falling out of the branches the last 2 weeks have been more and more evidence that will lead to his impeachment. So I would say that is where we are heading. If manages to take Biden and Pence down with him, so much the better. 
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Of course they are. And in fact they have already investigated and determined there was no crime committed by the Bidens. 
It's lovely that you're enough of an idealist to think that a notoriously corrupt government investigating its own corruption and finding nothing is result that ought to be taken at face value.

Also correct. And if trump had asked them to investigate there would be no problem. Trump has the authority to ask law enforcement to investigate. He does not have the power to pressure a foreign government to investigate his rivals. The moment he did that, he committed a crime. 

Again, if this were what happened we wouldn't be having this conversation. Asking the ukranians to co-operate with an investigation by the FBI would have been fine. But Trump never asked the FBI to investigate. There is nothing to suggest that he was ever going to ask the FBI to investigate. There was no investigation for Ukraine to co-operate with. He just wanted to send Giuliani on a fishing expedition. So when trump asked them to dig up dirt on Biden, it was a crime. 
So you think that Trump can delegate his authority to enforce the laws to his cabinet, but cannot use said power himself? Under whose authority did he delegate it, then? Either he is vested with the power and can use it, or he isn't vested with it and is incapable of delegating it to law enforcement.


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But Trump is absolutely guilty of the same things. He brought his children with him on state trips, and they got business contracts shortly after the trip. That is exactly what trump accuses Biden of, but he did the same thing with Ivanka. The difference being that Ivanka is actually using a semi-official position to profit herself. At least hunter wasn't a government official trying to cash in. 

If you want to go after all corruption, i am absolutely on board with that. But if you aren't willing to include Trump in that, then it isn't corruption you want to go after. You are just looking for an excuse to target your enemies, just like trump was. 

If Congress were willing to impeach Trump under the Emoluments Clause for things like his involvement with the Saudis, they would have much better luck. But they won't, for the same reason the Nancy Pelosi wouldn't impeach Bush for war crimes: because they're almost all guilty of the same thing.
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It's lovely that you're enough of an idealist to think that a notoriously corrupt government investigating its own corruption and finding nothing is result that ought to be taken at face value.
If you believe that is true then Trump's crimes are all the more sad because it was impossible to find anything anyway.

So you think that Trump can delegate his authority to enforce the laws to his cabinet, but cannot use said power himself? Under whose authority did he delegate it, then? Either he is vested with the power and can use it, or he isn't vested with it and is incapable of delegating it to law enforcement.
 Just because he is the head of an agency and can ask them to do things, that does not mean he has the power to personally do those things. If you are in charge of a hospital you can't just go and start operating on people. There is a law saying no politician may ask a foreigner for a thing of value that could help them in an election. Trump broke this law. Unlike trumps other crimes, this one is really, exceptionally clear. 

If Congress were willing to impeach Trump under the Emoluments Clause for things like his involvement with the Saudis, they would have much better luck.
Strongly disagree. Trump has been corrupt from the moment he took office. Hell, parts of his campaign were based on corruption. So no, no amount of run of the mill corruption would ever convince his legions of mindless cultists to turn on him. If it were, that would have happened already. But betraying his oath of office and abusing his powers, that might do it. 
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"Hey Yeewkraine"

"Mhmm? Vaat you vaunt?"

"Actually I caaan't dew this overr the phone, let me send yeww a dawcewwmended ledderrr so plausible deniability 'n' all for my vice pres"

"No, just let him read de transkript!!"

"Okay, here's the thenggg, I want the dirt if you want the protection y'know what aye meeean?"

"You Vot?!"

"Look do you wanna be Mother Russia's bitch?"

"Okay okay sirrr, Veee'll see vot ve ken do..."

"You better."

No pressure at all.
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And just an update. Released text messages have shown that american officials understood this to be a quid pro quo. That america would only give ukraine the things they wanted if they agreed to look into Joe Biden. It is looking worse for trump by the day. 
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 Just because he is the head of an agency and can ask them to do things, that does not mean he has the power to personally do those things. If you are in charge of a hospital you can't just go and start operating on people.

You must have never watched House MD.

Cuddy was more than capable of telling House to go away while she fixed a patient up.
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"Hey Yeewkraine"

"Mhmm? Vaat you vaunt?"

"Actually I caaan't dew this overr the phone, let me send yeww a dawcewwmended ledderrr so plausible deniability 'n' all for my vice pres"

"No, just let him read de transkript!!"

"Okay, here's the thenggg, I want the dirt if you want the protection y'know what aye meeean?"

"You Vot?!"

"Look do you wanna be Mother Russia's bitch?"

"Okay okay sirrr, Veee'll see vot ve ken do..."

"You better."



No pressure at all.

Adam Schiff has a better monologue, his comedy is much better than yours.



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I'm not trying to be funny. I'm trying to show how idiotic it is to pretend it was anything but blackmail.
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You must have never watched House MD. Cuddy was more than capable of telling House to go away while she fixed a patient up.
People who run hospitals are administrators. They may still be qualified doctors, but if they are not a qualified surgeon they can't perform surgery. 

Being the head of something, doesn't mean you have the power to do what your employees do. Trump is the head of the justice department, but that doesn't mean he can personally investigate things the way they can. If he wanted an investigation he could have legally ordered one. He didn't. He tried to to extort a foreign country to do it for him and committed at least 1 crime for sure, probably more. 

Asking for the thing of value was a crime all on it's own. We already know he has done that. he has released a memo confirming it. it would have been a crime no matter which politician was asking. Increasingly it looks like he was holding back the aid money and dangling a visit to the white house to extort the Ukranian president into doing it. If that is also proven then he is also guilty to abuse of office. 
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Problem is, you're not supposed to do comedy when you are conducting an investigation.
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The one thing Trump is more qualified than the FBI or CIA is following the will of the people. FBI deepstate has its own agenda.

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The one thing Trump is more qualified than the FBI or CIA is following the will of the people. FBI deepstate has its own agenda.
Multiple things to unpack there. 

1) The job of the FBI is not to follow the will of the people. The FBI is there is there to enforce the law. The people might decide they don't care if the law is upheld. But the FBI will uphold it anyway. If they were giving in to what the people wanted, they wouldn't be doing their jobs. 

2) Trump is in no way qualified to do investigations. He has no experience in that. And considering the topic of his investigation is his political rivals, it is unethical for him to use the power of his office to do this. And considering he is soliciting foreign nationals to do this, it is also illegal. 

3) There is no such thing as an FBI deepstate. That is a conspiracy theory pushed by the right wing. Basically, if any official ever says or does something that gets in the way of their right wing agenda, they must be the "deep state". It is a catch all phrase used to make government officials seem evil for doing their jobs. 

And none of that in any way is related to the topic. When trump asked a foreign country to dig up dirt on his rival, he committed a crime. Even if everything you said was true, this would still be a crime that he has committed. And he would still get impeached for it.   
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 The FBI is there is there to enforce the law. 

No they aren't, they follow political orders. Why do you think some laws are enforced while others are not? They are simply hired goons of the political elite.
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Chuck Schumer thought he had total control of the alphabet agency goons.

His threats to democracy are over.
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There is no such thing as an FBI deepstate. That is a conspiracy theory pushed by the right wing. 

CIA "whistleblower" disagrees.


There is compelling evidence that corrupt comedian Adam Schiff helped write the whistleblower complaint.

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I forgot that the trial was already underway.
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CIA "whistleblower" disagrees.
So a government official became aware that the president had committed a crime and followed the law to the letter. The whistle blower's concerns were deemed credible and congress was informed. There is nothing "deep state" about that. That is exactly what any loyal american citizen should do. If you learn that the president of the US is committing crimes and abusing his office, it is your duty to report it. 

There is compelling evidence that corrupt comedian Adam Schiff helped write the whistleblower complaint.
Where is this evidence you say exists? i looked at the article you linked to. It says that a staffer shared part of the whistle blower's concerns with Schiff. It does not say that Schiff ever spoke to the Whistle blower and explicitly says he didn't know who the whistle blower was. There is nothing in that article that indicates he helped write it. 

But even if you managed to prove he did, everything in the whistle blower complaint has been proven true. Trump really did commit crimes, he has all but confessed to them. 
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I forgot that the trial was already underway.
Lol this guy's video is hilarious. it is packed with lies and half truths. You do not need a quid pro quo for this to be a crime. He bases his whole defense on the idea (without evidence) that there was no quid pro quo. But that is a misdirect as that is not necessary for it to be a crime. 

There is also increasing evidence that there was a quid pro quo. So there may be more than just the 1 crime committed. 

He also says that it's totally normal for the president to try to get dirt on Biden (despite the president not being permitted to do this) but for Schiff, who is the ranking member of the intelligence committee, to speak to a Russian is somehow evidence he can't be trusted. Providing oversight of the executive branch is literally his job. But to this partisan moron that is somehow super suspicious. 

I realize this guy is totally serious, but man is his stupidity hilarious. 
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Nah this is the real parody.


Worship this comedian.
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Worship this comedian.
I don't care what Schiff has to say about it. You are trying to spin. You want to make the issue about something/anyone other than what the issue is about. If you can deflect to looking at the whistle blower or at Schiff then you can avoid having to look at the actual issue. 

Trump committed a crime. Possibly more than 1. The moment he asked for a thing of value from a foreign government that would help him with an election he committed a crime. No matter what other topic you try to redirect the conversation towards, none of it changes that underlying fact. 

Trump committed at least 1 crime on the transcript memo. As more information continues to come out it is looking more likely that we will also find that he was extorting them as well, which would be a separate crime. We will have to wait until we get all the information to determine if he is guilty of multiple crimes, but since we already know he is guilty of 1, he is almost certain to be impeached.

It also doesn't help that he is continuing to call on foreign governments to try to dig up dirt on Biden as well. 
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I don't care what Schiff has to say about it. 
Hopefully, the public shares this sentiment.
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Hopefully, the public shares this sentiment.
Agreed. Hopefully they care that trump is a confessed criminal though. 
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Ok. that is a clip of a republican sycophant trying his hardest to downplay how bad this is. They did the same thing when the investigation of Nixon started. They will keep denying reality until it benefits them to acknowledge it. Most of them hate Trump's guts and would gladly twist the knife. But they are too afraid of Trump's cult base to tell you what the truth is. 

What is that clip supposed to tell me? It is a fact that asking for a thing of value from a foreign government that would help you in an election is crime. We know that trump asked for dirt on joe biden. That is the end of the case. We know, 100% for certain, that trump committed that crime. There are some people pretending like it's not that serious. there are some people saying, "well what about (insert distraction)". But at the end of the day, trump committed at least 1 crime and the evidence so far suggests there is more.

But even if there somehow was no more, we already have enough information to know for certain trump committed a crime while in office.
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Nah fam. It's a clip saying Schiff screwed up and meant to send this other whistleblower goon in first.

Also, you're partially right. Chris Wallace is a sycophant goon for the deep state.