Should it be illegal to use (legal) drugs while pregnant?

I can't think of a much better alternative to fix this problem. It may be a bandage fix, but across most states, there is essentially abortion on demand for any reason and it has been for years (excluding Georgia and Alabama and maybe a handful of others). The problem still widely occurs. So, since we cannot eliminate addiction and abortion doesn't prevent it, I can see no better choice.

Getting caught involves fines and can be either a misdemeanor or a felony based on the circumstances. https://www.alcohol.org/laws/supplying-alcohol-to-a-minor/

Yeah, I kinda despise anti-vaxxers, myself. I don't recall any mention in the Bible about vaccinations. I don't think any recognized religion requires you to drink alcohol.

I think we should encourage and educate people about birth control. Abortion should not be used as a form of birth control. It should be strictly for emergencies.

It is somewhat hard to catch people selling alcohol to minors. It is a low priority crime as well. But yes, enforcement should be improved somehow.

I do wonder what would happen. I think that religion can only be invoked if it is a "recognized" religion. There must be a certain amount of members and certain criteria to meet. Not sure if they could use it, but perhaps.

I was saying that anti-vaxxers must be somehow connected to a recognized mainstream religion. Personally, I think that if that is the route they want to take, they should live in separate communities like the Amish.

Yes, unfortunately these easily avoidable birth defects aren't taken seriously enough. It seems like a common sense bill to me. Sure the implementation might take a bit to work out, but preventing the ruination of someone's entire life is motivation enough for me.

Your first point was worded a little oddly. I think you are wondering why I make a distinction between "birth control" and abortion. Might just be a force of habit. When I refer to "birth control" I am talking about contraception- things that prevent you from becoming pregnant in the first place. So condoms, shots, and pills that prevent pregnancy are fine by me. Terminating a pregnancy is very rarely acceptable in my opinion.

For the final one.... ladies sometimes don't like the mess.... lol

But typically "the pill" or depo shots are the most effective and most insurance companies cover a lot of their cost.

I'm glad we are coming to an understanding. :)

Yes and the majority of people believe that third trimester abortions should be illegal. You probably agree with that. 

 My problem here is that you are saying that what the majority of people agree with or desire is what is best policy-wise.

Now, part of the reason that most people want to keep Roe v Wade is because they don't know what it is. They think that if it is overturned that abortion becomes illegal. All it would do is take the federal government out of the picture and states can pass any laws they wish.

I'm treating this like the crime of murder, essentially. If you get an abortion because you would die, it is self-defense.

I don't think it is okay to get one for monetary reasons, just like I don't think you should kill your toddler because of financial reasons.

"No one is forcing you to have an abortion" isn't quite a strong argument. Someone back in the 1800's could say "no one is forcing you to have slaves".

I thought we agreed earlier that the fetus wasn't part of the woman. That would mean that anti-abortion laws aren't violating what a woman can do with her own body. It is protecting against what a woman will do to her child's body.

I am not trying to abolish abortion. I am saying that there should be some sort of justification to have one.

We essentially disagree on when personhood should be attributed.

They protected slavery under their right to property. So, slaves were considered property, not people.

If I eat a cake, is that cake violating my right to have a slim body? Or is that decision the normal consequence of eating unhealthy food? By making bad life choices, you have become pregnant, which is the normal consequence of intercourse.

I don't think you have the right to end a life because you make poor decisions. 

No, I believe that you should help people that get hurt snowboarding. You should help people who have unwanted pregnancies to. I don't believe that help entails killing a baby. 

Ok, if a fetus isn't a human, is it a dog? A cat? A mouse? It clearly has human DNA. You stated earlier that you value human life. It is alive and human.

So: either human lives matter or they do not. Any requirement other than being human is entirely arbitrary.

Anyone who said "kids who haven't reached puberty doesn't matter and can be killed for any reason" could base their entire argument from the same place that you are just as consistently if a culture puts arbitrary value on fertility.

Lol, of course you shouldn't help people in the way they want. If someone steals your bike and you want me to kill them and take it back, I'm not going to do that.

 As soon as an egg is fertilized, it becomes a human. It has all the chromosomes and DNA to prove it. No scientist has ever said that having organs is what makes you human. Again, I don't have an appendix, but I am still a human.

You don't want to give value to a human life because it doesn't have kidneys, a stomach, etc. That is arbitrary.

This has inevitably become just another Pro/Con abortion debate with a slightly different introductory slant.

Am I correct in assuming that it is usually men who instigate this sort of debate.

Some might even say that they detect a mildly misogynistic air about proceedings.! 

And I did say mildly misogynistic, more in reference to the general make up of debaters who regularly debate this topic.