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@EtrnlVw
Excellent post.
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examples of faith from atheists
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No sir. Hypothesis, not confirmed fact. But still, the larger planets were missed?There are several satellites in our solar system with confirmed liquid water under icy surfaces.
It isn't my imagination that scientists are rethinking the abiogenesis clunker. But it has been my experience that materialists usually decline to consider the implications of what they believe.
you are confusing the definition of the word with the process by which it happens.
How so? There is a connection between the definition and the process no?
you don't understand what a logical fallacy is. There's really no reason to continue this discussion with you then.
Lol. OK. But I notice you dodged the question when I used water instead of life in your argument. Same logical structure, just with water instead of life.
OK. Bye bye.
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@n8nrgmi
where did the big bang come from? any answer an atheist would give relies on faith and isn't based on the preponderance of the evidence.
My answer is that I don't know.
Which specific part of my answer requires faith?
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@n8nrgmi
Faith is a prerequisite to scientific inquiry.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
You don't know the cause but you are sure that it happened, sounds like faith to me. Many long-held "facts" have been overturned by the discovery of previously unknown evidence.
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@ronjs
You don't know the cause but you are sure that it happened, sounds like faith to me.
Oh, I thought by faith you meant 'belief without evidence'. If we are going off of a different definition then sure I may or may not have faith, depends on what definition you use. There are several different valid definitions of the word that have developed over the centuries due to its highly charged emotional connotations in society.
If you are going to claim that I have faith in something and you are going to use one of the lesser used definitions though then I would like for you to tell us which definition you are using.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Faith "complete trust or confidence in someone or something"
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@ronjs
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Apparently your god disagrees with you.
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@disgusted
Hebews 11
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Faith is both substance AND evidence, dum dum. Get it right.
6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him
That IS what produces confidence and trust...
What is hoped for and unseen is the basis of insanity.
You hope to live after you are dead, where is the substance of that?
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@ronjs
Faith "complete trust or confidence in someone or something"
So by your definition if one has good logical reasons for what they say then that person is still said to have faith in whatever it is they are talking about. Okay.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
if one has good logical reasons for what they say then that person is still said to have faith
Pretty much, only in spirituality it has a spiritual twist so it's somewhat of an elevated concept. You can't have trust and confidence in something you have no reason or evidence of.
But yeah, it's a universal concept religions just have a way of naming things or principles they observe. For example cause and effect, the Hindus call that Karma (which also has an elevated understanding) but it has the same basic meaning, Christians call it sowing and reaping or you reap what you sow.
Faith is simply trust in God based on experience/evidence. So faith corresponds with one's own confidence which is why Jesus uses the illustration of little faith vs great faith.
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@EtrnlVw
So basically the title of this thread is " Athiests think some things are true" then?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
IDK bro I think the OP might be using the word a different way. The quote was from Dawkins..."“Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.”
But that's not how faith is used.
."“Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.”
Is how your god sees it, look.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
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@EtrnlVw
“Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.”But that's not how faith is used.
That is the most commonly used definition so unless clarified otherwise that is what people are going to assume one means.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Your (or mine)good, logical, reasons may be invalid because as yet to be discovered evidence could cause major changes what one believes. This happens quite frequently in science.
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@ronjs
This is relevant because...?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
If ones logic is faulty then one believes by faith, although they may not realize it.
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@ronjs
In post 78 you say...
Your (or mine) good, logical, reasons
In post 80 you say...
If ones logic is faulty
So which is it? Are you talking about
1) The potential to be logical but wrong due to incomplete information or are you talking about
2) The potential to think one is being logical but in fact be using faulty logic?
These are clearly two very different things and the answer to either accusation would therefore have a different response from me so I need to know which you are talking about.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Doesn't really make any difference why someone's logic is wrong, it could be a combination of both those reasons.
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@ronjs
And which are you saying I am guilty of?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I'm not saying you are guilty of anything,i'm just pointing out that people can be wrong even if they are convinced that they are right.
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@ronjs
So am I right or wrong?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Not for me to say, everyone has to determine this for themselves.We learn best from our own experience.
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@ronjs
everyone has to determine this for themselves
Lol that isn't how reality works kiddo. It isn't going to be a sunny warm day outside just because I 'determined for myself' that it should be.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
And i never implied that.
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@ronjs
People can't 'decide for themselves' what is true, they can only decide what they think is true.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
What they think is true,is true to them