Choosing Best or Likely Candidated to Win Presidency

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@ebuc

Your mostly focused only on that part of my rational. I think a moderate has a better chance against Trump.

Why? That is what the corporate media keeps telling everyone, but the evidence says that isn't true. Sanders has the best favorability rating of anyone. He speaks to the 10's of millions of Americans who can't stand the democrats or the republicans. Hilary was the quintessential "moderate" candidate and she lost. Why would we re-do that mistake?

Warren and Bernie I would prefer, but doubt their most liberal polices to sell to greater USA. I dunno. Time will maybe tell.

Why? Their policies are extremely popular. Most of the country agrees that the current medical system is shit. Most of the country agrees that taxing the rich is a good thing. It is only the rich and corporatist media trying to act like their policies are somehow unpopular.

This is critical to bringing out the vote for those who do not trust anything electronic. Some where recently some district tried out their new electronic voting and it was debacle.

The much bigger issue is the voter suppression laws that keep people from voting. I think the number of people who would avoid voting because of electronic voting machines is extremely limited and getting smaller all the time.

And who is more likely to cheat. Republicans or democrats? Putin or China?

I agree that election security should be taken seriously, but that is far from the biggest priority.

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@Pinkfreud08

I feel like for democrats the real question in deciding a candidate is figuring out your main goal.

Separating those things is a problem. You don't beat trump by pushing policies that don't fix anything. You beat trump by showing people that you will actually fix things. The idea that you can beat trump by "returning to normal" is a pipe dream. Hilary clinton has already run that campaign and shown us it is a failure.

Biden, for example, has great odds at beating Trump however has little to offer in terms of the policy. At least in my view.

I think Biden has no chance of beating trump. Have you seen him in the debates and videos of his rallies? He loses it when he faces questions about his corruption, his son, his record, immigration etc. He literally yells at and insults voters. Trump would eat him alive. And on top of that, he has no energy behind his campaign or actual plans to make things better. He would depress voter turnout and trump would win.

Bernie, however, is almost the exact opposite, he doesn't have a good chance at beating Trump due to his socialistic policies. However, at least in my view, he has a lot more to offer than Biden has.

virtually every poll shows that he has the best favourability rating of any candidate. He is the most trusted candidate on most of the important issues. He has a much better chance of winning than Biden. But the corporate media is doing it's best to convince people not to believe their eyes.

Overall if you're a democrat before you consider a candidate you'd like to support I'd advise you to first figure out what your goal for the 2020 election is.

Disagree. Sanders is the obvious choice for both priorities.

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@HistoryBuff

Why? That is what the corporate media keeps telling everyone, but the evidence says that isn't true. Sanders has the best favorability rating of anyone. He speaks to the 10's of millions of Americans who can't stand the democrats or the republicans. Hilary was the quintessential "moderate" candidate and she lost. Why would we re-do that mistake?

Hillary was more popular than Bernie. That was why she was the candidate. Why she lost to Trump is a differrent issue.

And again with the Putin X factor, we will never know the results if it had been Bernie.

We will never know how well Warren or Bernie will do against Trump, if hey are not the candidate. I place Warren above Bernie for reasons I gave.

Age { and no heart attacks yet }, woman { tho men favor men }, similar polices as Bernie, has Teddy Roosevelt's rough rider enthusiasm.

The much bigger issue is the voter suppression laws that keep people from voting. I think the number of people who would avoid voting because of electronic voting machines is extremely limited and getting smaller all the time.

Some aspect gerry mandering got overturned by the courts a few months back.

I agree that election security should be taken seriously, but that is far from the biggest priority.

Amy is not the only one pushing for paper ballots. Her proposed law just goes a little further and calls for additional verification process to be included. Paper ballots cannot be hacked and that will gain trust of those voters who dont trust electronic systems, and for good reason.

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@ebuc

Hillary was more popular than Bernie. That was why she was the candidate. Why she lost to Trump is a differrent issue.

Was she? She got more votes in the democratic primaries than Bernie did, that is true. But that is with the mainstream media constantly attacking him saying he was "unelectable". Alot of people might hold their nose and vote for someone they don't like because they see them as more likely to win the election. I don't know about in 2016, but pretty much every poll shows bernie as the best liked candidate now. But because the media constantly says he can't win, alot of people believe them and support a shittier candidate.

We will never know how well Warren or Bernie will do against Trump, if hey are not the candidate. I place Warren above Bernie for reasons I gave.

There is extensive polling on the subject. Bernie does better than warren.

Age { and no heart attacks yet },

There is no evidence it would prevent him from doing his job. I'm not sure why it would matter.

woman { tho men favor men }

how is this an advantage for warren?

similar polices as Bernie,

similar, but generally worse. She has completely botched her medicare plan for example in a way that basically guarantees it wouldn't happen.

has Teddy Roosevelt's rough rider enthusiasm.

please explain this. She is a 70 year old harvard professor. I have never seen anything I would call "rough rider enthusiasm"

Some aspect gerry mandering got overturned by the courts a few months back.

some aspects of it. But alot remains. There is also the purging of voter rolls, voter ID laws etc. Republicans are try very hard in lots of ways to keep people from voting.

Amy is not the only one pushing for paper ballots. Her proposed law just goes a little further and calls for additional verification process to be included. Paper ballots cannot be hacked and that will gain trust of those voters who dont trust electronic systems, and for good reason.

I have never seen any evidence of widespread issues with electronic voting systems. However the most recent voter fraud case was with paper ballots. The republicans were hiring people to collect mail in ballots then filling them out. So saying going back to paper ballots is in and of itself an improvement doesn't seem to be true.

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@Dr.Franklin

well said.

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@Greyparrot

It's quite obvious, theyre are no democratic paths to victory, everything they have tried in the last year has failed

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@Dr.Franklin

Wait till Hillary takes the primary.

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@Greyparrot

LOL, then we are headed for 1984

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@Dr.Franklin

We are already there. State controls 90% of the media.

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@Greyparrot

We are already there. State controls 90% of the media.

I agree that fox is basically living inside of trump's colon at the moment, but that doesn't meant they are state controlled. Also, they aren't 90% of the media.

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@HistoryBuff

Yep, they are part of the 10% resistance.

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@Greyparrot

Yep, they are part of the 10% resistance.

How is printing outlandish lies as propaganda for the white house being "resistance"? That is just acting as government propaganda, the thing you claim to not want.

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@HistoryBuff

I don't want any president to get 90% unfavorable reporting, no matter what the source is when 90% of the people don't hate him.

Media shouldn't create outrage and narratives, that's not democratic.

Especially when that outrage is purchased by hedge fund managers on the left (Soros) and right (Singer) that are ready to make money when the country fails due to the paralytic fear-mongering.

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@Greyparrot

I don't want any president to get 90% unfavorable reporting, no matter what the source is when 90% of the people don't hate him.

you are mistaking 2 unrelated things. Unfavorable reporting should happen when a president does something bad. Whether or not uninformed, racist, cultist etc people like the bad things he is doing should not shield him from that reporting.

The flip side should be that no president should get 90% positive reporting. And on fox news it is virtually 100% positive coverage. That is because they aren't even trying to be news. They are just propaganda.

Media shouldn't create outrage and narratives, that's not democratic.

How does what media chooses to cover have anything to do with being "democratic"? News agencies are privately owned companies, not democracies.

Especially when that outrage is purchased by hedge fund managers on the left (Soros) and right (Singer) that are ready to make money when the country fails due to the paralytic fear-mongering.

I agree, the rich should not be able to buy the news they want. But you are advocating for fox news which is the worst source possible for this. They exclusively report what their rich assholes overlords want.

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@HistoryBuff

you are mistaking 2 unrelated things. Unfavorable reporting should happen when a president does something bad. Whether or not uninformed, racist, cultist etc people like the bad things he is doing should not shield him from that reporting..... And on fox news it is virtually 100% positive coverage. That is because they aren't even trying to be news. They are just propaganda.

Well said.

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HB, We need more of the righteous like you to speak truth, as you do so eloquently, Thank You!

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@HistoryBuff

I'd say Fox is about 70% favorable after they lost Shephard Smith, but it's not all bad considering Fox gets high ratings. It is competing against 6 other major networks that still have more market share driving a 90% unfavorable narrative. So the media still isn't near close to fair nor balanced in proportion to public support of the president.

Much of this imbalance also has to do with the fact that these news agencies are usually based in liberal coastal cities, which are far from representative of the entire USA. California and New York will never be allowed to select the president for flyover country again.

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@HistoryBuff

90% of the MSM is controlled by the Dems

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@Greyparrot

I'd say Fox is about 70% favorable after they lost Shephard Smith, but it's not all bad considering Fox gets high ratings.

They are like 95% favorable now. Shep was willing to call out Trump some of the time, but was usually pretty positive. There is now almost no one who will call out trump's lies, betrayals and crimes.

But again, you are saying that because people like the lies Fox spreads that this justifies them spreading lies. Popularity does not mean it is true. News outlets are supposed to report the news, but all fox does is cheer lead for the republicans, and now primarily just trump.

So the media still isn't near close to fair nor balanced in proportion to public support of the president.

Why do you think they are supposed to change their coverage for popular opinion? Their job is to report the facts and information. Whether or not that information is popular is irrelevant.

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@Vader

Yeah just look at all the Scandinavian and Nordic countries, they shit on the US.

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@disgusted

At least we don't allow mooselimbs to rape our women and call our women instigators.

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Run away, you are too frightened of me to converse. It's pathetic really.

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@disgusted

At least USA is more diverse than Nordic wannabe countries.

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You've been told.

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@disgusted

At least USA doesn't tax the poor at 40%

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@Greyparrot

At least USA doesn't tax the poor at 40%

Have they elected an immoral, narcissistic, racist, Putin puppet, Kim Ung Pooh boot lickin orangebadman cult leader of immoral, racists cult followers? I dunno.

Immoral cult leader has now chosen to escalate us --via eye-for-eye- Tit for Tat--- in Irag. A country we should never have went to war with to begin with.

Lies of immoral Darth Vader types---Dick Cheney--- led us there smack dab in between Shiites{ Iran } and Sunnis{ Arabia } YIKES! :--O M G!

...." Kurdish forces have emerged among the biggest winners, controlling about a quarter of the country [ Syria ] — territory rich in oil, water and farmland. It is the biggest chunk of Syria not in state hands, now with its own forces and bureaucracy.

Assad [ Syria ] has said he will recover the northeast but the two sides have kept some channels open. "....

An of course the Kurds want Kirkuk ---where contractor was killed---

..." When Islamic State militants swept through much of northern Iraq in 2014, Kurdish fighters exploited the collapse of central authority to take control of Kirkuk, the oil city they regard as their ancient regional capital, as well as other territory disputed by Baghdad and the Kurdish north. "...

Look at this map and see that Kirkuk is smack dab on a line half-way between Syria and Terhran.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kirkuk,+Iraq/@35.460416,39.8843173,6z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x1554d6034577edc9:0x5890c4555c9da475!8m2!3d35.4666329!4d44.3798895

How does an escalation, deesclate? Negotiations? Communication? A greater whole of United Nations?

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@ebuc

Don't be silly. This is a reaction, much like the impeachment was a reaction, to the MASTER TROLL OF ALL TIME.

Iran had to make a statement after the Dec 26 visit by the president.

Trump urged Iraqi youth to protest and overthrow Iranian influence in their country.

Trump is going to win the hearts and minds war.

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@Greyparrot

Don't be silly.

Take a look and the mirror and be prepared to see truth, even if you do not have the spine to acknowledge the truth, that,

your a cultist Trumper forever follower --- irrespective of the immorality of this orange-bad-autocrat, narcissist dictator wannabee--- that,

places money$$$ in his and families pocket above all else.

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