WaterPhoenix- Water has done next to nothing pro-town. I don’t like his answer to me about not wanting to be mod killed, so he will not be giving a character description (especially when many of us myself included don’t actually have a link from role to character). After that, he didn’t really do anything pro-town, and only came in to vote drafter near the end, potentially wanting to look pro town by participating on a scum lynch.
Drafterman- As I have said before, I am pretty unconvinced by Bullish’s case on drafter, and find it a bit tunnel visioned. I was on board with it because I did want a lynch for information, and I was slightly suspicious that drafter was opting for a no lynch given another very intense argument I have had with drafter in the past regarding no lynching vs lynching DP1, where he was on team lynching. While my stance on that has changed, I suppose maybe his can too, but I bring it up only because in the past few mafia games and quickfires I’ve played in, I don’t remember him advocating a no lynch, which seems a bit fishy that he does when his lynch seemed likliest nearing the end of DP1.
After being in the long night phase and having time to reflect on his statements more, I find I buy most of his response to bullish in post #297. There was one part however, that did strike me as scummy. Bullish is calling drafterman out for having claimed vanilla without nearly any pressure, and drafterman admits he does this only because he thought it was the status quo, and even brings up how this behavior is harmful and was harmful for the town in Dark Crystal. It isn’t the status qou though, and people who claim without pressure do so of their own volition and rarely explain why they do it. PressF for example never explained why he claimed cop in Office mafia DP1, but it was generally assumed it was to bait mafia night actions, and he actually lived a while because of it (I am assuming GP is doing this for similar reasons if town). That said, this excuse of “I am doing it because everyone else is doing it” excuse is the scummiest thing drafter has done or said all game, and turned a weak scum read into a stronger one. I never known drafter to be the one to submit to an imaginary policy of auto claiming vanillas, when there hasn’t even been any public discussion in support of it. In fact this answer seems scummier to me than if he would have just said something dumb like “I claimed because I thought I would get pressured later, and my claim would have minimal impact on the game”. The fact that he goes above and beyond and over-explains himself about and even brings up a very recent example where he was against this behavior. seems like he is worried that it is a piece of logic that can hurt him.
After noticing that, I picked up on other things. I was absent the last hours of that DP, however, notice drafter finally get’s on and defends himself pretty strongly. That is expected, given he was was at L-3 or so. But he starts making assumptions about why people are lynching him, rather than read their actual reasons.
“ Lunatic is too smart to seriously believe anything Bullish is cooking. I mean, Lunatic has bought into some shaky theories before as Town, but this really takes the cake.”
Uh, did he miss the whole part of me telling Bullish exactly that I didn’t buy what he was cooking? I voted him because he was opting for a no lynch, which seemed out of character for him, and he was also the likeliest lynch and I did want to see the DP end in a lynch so we can get information distincting mafia VS town on the theme. Nowhere did I say I was buying into what he was cooking, unless you consider “I may be able to bite” a concession to me agreeing that bullish’s logic was sound (which I don’t think it was).
“Also, I'd like people to take notice that Lunatic and Singularity have been online recently, but have no more thoughts to add to the matter. Bullish is basically forced to double down on this nonsense, but Lunatic and Singularity are just passively letting this lynch happen.”
This is a pretty horrible argument, I am not a lurker as scum and never have been. If my profile indicated I was online during this time, it was maybe quickly checking my debate’s voting status with virt while taking a sleepy morning piss, before returning back to bed. If I am actually on and paying attention to a game, I would be responding to that type of crap (notice I wasn’t pinged once asking me to re-evaluate my vote or anything. It’s like he’s sliding that in there to make me and singularity look bad in the case he didn’t get lynched).
So atm I am still pretty much scum leaning drafter, and the read has gotten much stronger.