The Hypocrisy Is Still Astounding But Shouldn't Shock Or Surprise Anyone

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     I can't profess to know a lot about U.S. politics. But if it wasn't enough with all the hypocrisy during the impeachment there is now a U.S.  Senator Chris Murphy CT;


    complains that Trump carried out this "assassination"

    "without any congressional authorization, of the second most powerful person in Iran, knowingly setting off a potential massive regional war"? Jan 2 2020

    I don't know if Trump needed "congressional authorization" but  this has to be the quickest 180° ever because only 2 days before this twat had this to say about the "impotent" state of America under Trump


    6:36 AM - 31 Dec 2019.  @ChrisMurphyCT   "The attack on our embassy in Baghdad is horrifying but predictable.Trump has rendered America impotent in the Middle East. No one fears us, no one listens to us.America has been reduced to huddling in safe rooms, hoping the bad guys will go away.What a disgrace".


    I have said before, in the eyes of Democrats, Trump will never ever do right. They are a bunch of self serving twats who know not their arse's from their fkn elbows.

    God Bless America and God bless The Donald.
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    The left is hated by the right because they care about their fellow man and the right are totally selfish.
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    --> @Stephen
    complains that Trump carried out this "assassination"
    It definitely was an assassination. So i'm not sure why you put it in quotes. it is just an objective fact. 


    "without any congressional authorization...", "...the "impotent" state of America under Trump"
    I'm not sure if you are trying to disingenuous or not. Basically he said that violence required some sort of response. Trump then went and murdered an Iranian national hero. There is a huge gap between "do something" and "do something that will definitely get Americans killed". 

    It's like if I said someone definitely needs to punish a kid because he is doing bad things. So the teacher takes him out back and kills him. I would not be a hypocrite for saying that killing the child is a terrible thing and a response that is way too harsh. I said punish, not murder. 

    The right seems to be massively underplaying how bad this decision was. To the Iranians, sulimani was a national hero. He is the man who defeated ISIS (in their opinion). Killing him will unify the country behind the hard liners and make it that much easier for the regime to stay in power and continue their attacks. Killing sulimani was a stupid, stupid thing to do. 

    And the cherry on top of the stupidity is that he was there on a diplomatic mission to meet the Iraqi PM to discuss defusing tensions between Iran and Saudi Arabia. He was literally meeting with the PM on the afternoon of the day the US murdered him. They killed an ambassador on his way to discussing peace. 
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    --> @Stephen
    it's the only way they can get elected and gain more control, that's all any of this is really about.  What are they going to say?  They are going to make the economy better?  Lower unemployment?  Let us keep more of the money we earn?  Which democratic candidate is saying that?  Um none.

    There is no more taking the best ideas from both sides to benefit everyone, those days are dead.  Now it's one side vs the other for total control and they would even do away with the electoral college to make that happen.  They know a civil war is coming because they are pushing people over the edge, which fits very nicely with the gun confiscations states are trying to pass.  The dumbasses who say no one is coming for your guns lol, look at Virginia a very real threat of them coming for their guns.

    At one point there were rumors that Trump would do something to strengthen the 2a once and for all which just places another target on him.

    sadly people are embracing what is seen as soft socialism but don't see the very short path to fascism.
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    They are going to make the economy better?  Lower unemployment?  Let us keep more of the money we earn?  Which democratic candidate is saying that?  Um none.
    Bernie sanders is absolutely saying that. Better regulations to keep companies from abusing people makes the economy better. Unregulated capitalism is extremely destructive. He wants a federal job guarantee, that would lower unemployment. He wants to fix healthcare and massively reduce costs. You would pay more to the government, but you would be paying nothing to for-profit insurance companies and keeping much more of your money. So you would be very wrong. 

    Now it's one side vs the other for total control and they would even do away with the electoral college to make that happen.
    The electoral college is a massively outdated concept that is, by definition, anti democratic. it is designed to give people in certain parts of the country more power than in other parts of the country. 

    They know a civil war is coming because they are pushing people over the edge, which fits very nicely with the gun confiscations states are trying to pass.
    The only way a civil war is coming is if moronic right wing nut jobs start one. 

    sadly people are embracing what is seen as soft socialism but don't see the very short path to fascism.
    This sentence doesn't even make sense. Fascism and socialism are 2 very different things. 
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    Better regulations to keep companies from abusing people makes the economy better.

    really?  such as?

    He wants a federal job guarantee, that would lower unemployment.
    more federal works, yup sounds like a fine idea LOL

    You would pay more to the government, but you would be paying nothing to for-profit insurance companies and keeping much more of your money.
    yeah I have a bridge for sale you might be interested in.

    anti democratic.
    the U.S. is a republic =/= democracy  you should learn some history.

    The only way a civil war is coming is if moronic right wing nut jobs start one. 
    except that the people you are referring to were doing nothing but minding their own business, going to work etc until the government decided they want to try and control them.  You see governor black face could have just let sleeping dogs lay but decided to kick the hornet's nest and now look at all the people going to town meetings, 2a sanctuaries etc and for what?  just because he is pandering to the control freaks.  wouldn't you think a threat to use the national guard is a threat of violence?  among other threats and things they want to do.  Let me again who is starting it?

    all he's done is drive up the demand for guns and greatly increased purchases.  these are the same geniuses that you want and think can run healthcare LOL   This fantasy bubble you live in sounds like an awesome place, though far from reality.


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    really?  such as?
    Banking regulations. It was the unregulated banks that triggered a recession in 2008. Canadian banks, which have to obey much better banking regulations, didn't make the same insane bets that US banks did. They had lobbied to have those regulations removed so they could, but the candian government refused to. When the recession hit no canadian banks needed bailing out, but half the US banking industry would have been wiped out if the government hadn't saved them. 

    more federal works, yup sounds like a fine idea LOL
     Considering america's infrastructure is falling apart, yes that is a very good idea. 

    yeah I have a bridge for sale you might be interested in.
    lol I will never understand why some people think that something can work all over the world, but it can't possibly work in america. Universal healthcare in other countries is much cheaper than US healthcare. 

    the U.S. is a republic =/= democracy  you should learn some history.
    A republic is a form of democracy. The US is a representative democracy. The electoral college was put in place specifically to undermine that democracy so that specific regions would get more power. 

    except that the people you are referring to were doing nothing but minding their own business, going to work etc until the government decided they want to try and control them.
    You have literally described what a government is for. It makes rules and laws for it's people. That is, by definition, controlling them. If they don't like the laws the government is passing, they have the power to vote for someone else. However if the majority of people like the laws the government is passing, they do not have the right to use violence to force their will onto others. That is a dictatorship. 
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    complains that Trump carried out this "assassination"  So i'm not sure why you put it in quotes. it is just an objective fact. 

    Yes, ok it was an assassination. I don't think many can dispute that.   If you don't understand why people use "quotes "  then I can only suggest you take a crash course in English grammar.


    "without any congressional authorization...", "...the "impotent" state of America under Trump"
    I'm not sure if you are trying to disingenuous or not. Basically he said that violence required some sort of response.


    No what he actually said _  and I will put it in "quotes" -  because it is what HE said and not me,   "  Trump has rendered America impotent in the Middle East. No one fears us, no one listens to us.America has been reduced to huddling in safe rooms, hoping the bad guys will go away.What a disgrace"<<<<< That is exactly what he said.    It is easy enough to research, why don't you fkn try doing just that.

    I read that as this  Senator Chris Murphy calling Trump a  powerless non entity who had rendered America spineless and defenseless in the Middle East  for not responding to all the offences Iran and Qassem Soleimani's Al Quds, -  the terrorist wing of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard-  had been committing against Americans and American interests in Iraq. .  it appears that this twat senator  Murphy wanted America to be "feared" not "impotent" not cowering and huddled and  hiding from these terrorists. 


    Trump then went and murdered an Iranian national hero.
    It is your opinion that it was murder. I believe it was a preemptive attack on an enemy terrorist . I don't care what you believe.

    He was a national hero, to the Iranians and the terrorists groups such as Hezbollah. He was a terrorist to me and most of  level headed America. Even some on the left.


    There is a huge gap between "do something" and "do something that will definitely get Americans killed". 

    What should they have done? Tell his mummy that her son was  a very naughty boy and to send him to bed without supper!?



    It's like if I said someone definitely needs to punish a kid because he is doing bad things.
    Oh FFS!!! behave yourself. This was no naughty schoolboy. 


    The right seems to be massively underplaying how bad this decision was.
    I don't think so. They understand the seriousness of this action and  they have left the ball in the court of the Iranians. It might even give the Americans  a chance to leave Iraq with honour instead of leaving  Iraq after promises to stay and  help them form a government and train personnel. Trump is all for bringing them home and this would present the perfect excuse, especially after the vote of expulsion.


    To the Iranians, sulimani was a national hero.

    So you keep saying. But I don't care what he was to the Islamic State of Iranians or to the Muslim terrorist groups such as Hezbollah 


    He is the man who defeated ISIS (in their opinion).

    Yes and all on his own, eh. Not an American in sight, eh.  I suppose now if the Americans do leave Iraq at the behest of Iran, leaving Iraqis to the mercy of ISIS once more then they will have to defeat ISIS all over again but without the assistance of the USA.. And you will be calling Americans cowards and traitors for not staying to finish their commitments to the Iraqi people.


    Killing him will unify the country behind the hard liners and make it that much easier for the regime to stay in power and continue their attacks. 
    Maybe. We will have to see.  But from what I am beginning to learn and understand many Iranians were pleased this terrorist was killed by the USA.. 


    Killing sulimani was a stupid, stupid thing to do. 
    Opinion, and you are entitled to it.


    And the cherry on top of the stupidity is that he was there on a diplomatic mission to meet the Iraqi PM to discuss defusing tensions between Iran and Saudi Arabia.
    Was he? so?  Wouldn't he have been better off  going to Saudi Arabia as a "diplomat"  to "defuse tensions"? Iraq has  problems of its own that it cannot sort its out on its own without the USA to help and guide them. and let me tell you, the early celebrations after this killing was Iraqis dancing in the street at reports of his death. You see this terrorist had murdered thousands of Iraqis, too.

    I used quotations " " because they are words you wrote, and not what I have said. Are you getting the hang of them now.


    He was literally meeting with the PM on the afternoon of the day the US murdered him. 
    So? The Iraqis may have been in on it. They are no friends of Iran , I can tell you that for fk all.


    They killed an ambassador on his way to discussing peace. 
    A General, a Diplomat, an Ambassador and a fkn peace talking Terrorist. busy little c*** wasn't he.

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    --> @Stephen
    Yes it was an assassination. I don't think anyone can despite that. If you don't understand why people use "quotes "  the I can only suggest you take a crash course in English grammar.
    People often use quotes to denote that something is alleged but not necessarily true. In this case you put quotes into a sentence where no quotes were needed. 

    it appears that this twat senator  Murphy wanted America to be "feared" not "impotent" not cowering and huddled and  hiding from these terrorists. 
    Ok, but that is not, in any way, contradicted by the 2nd statement. There is a massive gulf between "we should respond" and "let's murder their national hero". The US had countless ways to react that didn't involve guaranteeing americans will die.

    It is your opinion that it was murder. I believe it was a preemptive attack on an enemy terrorist . I don't care what you believe.
    He was a member of the iranian government on a mission to discuss lowering tensions. The US then killed him and offered no evidence, of any kind, as to why he should be killed. That is straight up murder. 

    He was a national hero, to the Iranians and the terrorists groups such as Hezbollah. He was a terrorist to me and most of  level headed America. Even some on the left.
    The american revolutionaries were traitors, murders and terrorists to the British. They were heroes to the Americans. The 2 are not mutually exclusive. But the fact that he aided in terrorism does not mean american should have him killed. America funds lots of terrorists too. 

    What should they have done? Tell his mummy that her son was  a very naughty boy and to send him to bed without supper!?
    How about go after the people who actually carried out the attacks? The fact remains that no evidence he was involved has been provided and it is guaranteed to get americans killed. 

    I don't think so. They understand the seriousness of this action and  they have left the ball in the court of the Iranians.
    Of course they understand. It massively improves the Iranian government's position. The people of Iran will rally to the flag like americans did after 9/11, easing the pressure the government has been under. It will undercut reformers and strengthen hardliners. They will counterattack. They have to.

    It might even give the Americans  a chance to leave Iraq with honour instead of leaving  Iraq after promises to stay and  help them form a government and train personnel. 
    With honor!?!? Being forced out because you won't stop murdering people is honorable to you?

    So you keep saying. But I don't care what he was to the Islamic State of Iranians or to the Muslim terrorist groups such as Hezbollah 
    This kind of thinking is why america keeps getting bombed and sucked into wars. America simply doesn't care what other people think and does whatever the fuck it wants. That inevitably leads to other countries attacking it as they defend themselves from american aggression. 

    Maybe. We will have to see.  But from what I am beginning to learn and understand many Iranians were pleased this terrorist was killed by the USA.. 
    Where are you getting that opinion. He had like an 82% approval rating in Iran. That is like double trump's approval rating. 

    So? The Iraqis may have bene in on it. They are no friends of Iran , I can tell you that for fk all.
    They weren't. But america is doing a great job in pushing them closer to Iran. 

    A General, a Diplomat, an Ambassador and a fkn peace talking Terrorist. busy little c*** wasn't he.
    Oh yes, i forgot. To republicans non-white people are only allowed to be 1 thing ever. 

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    no canadian banks needed bailing out
    so really you don't need more regulations you just have to NOT bail them out, it's amazing how people/business will self regulate then the threat of failure is very real.

    lol I will never understand why some people think that something can work all over the world, but it can't possibly work in america. Universal healthcare in other countries is much cheaper than US healthcare. 
    this is some kind of abstract comparison thread anyway

    The electoral college was put in place specifically to undermine that democracy so that specific regions would get more power. 

    um, no, it was put in place to try and make sure the country was represented equally rather than mob rule.  In a true democracy, NY and California would pick the president and essentially run the whole country.
    That is a dictatorship. 
    hey do not have the right to use violence to force their will onto others.
    sure or a tyrannical government threatening to use the national guard, increasing prison space etc, yes?  I agree with you then, governor blackface is or is trying to become a tyrannical leader.




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    so really you don't need more regulations you just have to NOT bail them out, it's amazing how people/business will self regulate then the threat of failure is very real.
    And then the recession would have been much, much worse. Corporations are designed to be greedy. They will strive to earn money, even if there is great risk. Those risks can then harm all of society when the go badly. The best way to address it is not to just let the economy gamble and implode. it is to put in reasonable rules and regulations to prevent that kind of boom and bust cycle from ruining people. 

    um, no, it was put in place to try and make sure the country was represented equally rather than mob rule.  In a true democracy, NY and California would pick the president and essentially run the whole country.
    But it doesn't make the country be run equally. It just changes who has the power. It takes it out of the hands of the majority and places it in the hands of a minority. You are ok with that because you are part of the minority that is benefiting from the broken rules. But if those rules were being used to allow a liberal minority pass laws that a majority conservative didn't like, you would be out campaigning to have it removed. 

    sure or a tyrannical government threatening to use the national guard, increasing prison space etc, yes?  I agree with you then, governor blackface is or is trying to become a tyrannical leader.
    I have no idea what you are talking about. 
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    --> @Stephen
    The U.S. designated Soleimani a global terrorist in 2011

    that was under St. Obama's reign

    Since 1998, Soleimani had led Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps–Quds Force (IRGC-QF) in planning and executing terrorist attacks and arming the Iranian regime’s proxy fighters in a half dozen countries, including Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Bahrain, Yemen and Afghanistan.

    a real stand up guy that celebs should cry over.

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    So? The Iraqis may have bene in on it. They are no friends of Iran , I can tell you that for fk all.
    They weren't.


    You have absolutely no way of knowing that.

    But america is doing a great job in pushing them closer to Iran. 

    Which may not be too bad with this terrorist out of the way and the dust has settled. Wishful thinking I know. But one can only hope. But they are both countries with majority shiite if I remembered correctly, yet are the worst of enemies.

    A General, a Diplomat, an Ambassador and a fkn peace talking Terrorist. busy little c*** wasn't he.
    Oh yes, i forgot. To republicans non-white people are only allowed to be 1 thing ever. 

    Whoever told you that? I bet it was either Maxine Waters or was it Ilhan Omar ? 




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    You have absolutely no way of knowing that.
    Of knowing what? That they didn't use to get along? Iraq and Iran have been historical enemies, that is well known. But America is doing a great job pushing them together. 

    Which may not be too bad with this terrorist out of the way and the dust has settled. Wishful thinking I know. But one can only hope. 
    America has spent trillions of dollars and countless lives destroying Iraq. Some argued it was worth it because it would be rebuilt as a functioning free and fair democracy. But what america is doing to pushing Iraq further and further into the arms of Iran as the US treats the Iraqi government like shit in their own country. That would make the entire Iraq war a 100% failure. 


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    It takes it out of the hands of the majority and places it in the hands of a minority.
    that's not true, there have been presidents who have won both the electoral college and popular vote and those who have not.

    I have no idea what you are talking about. 
    go back and read post #6 a reply to you.

    your words described what I said about governor blackface, so I agreed, we agree.
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    that's not true, there have been presidents who have won both the electoral college and popular vote and those who have not.
    In some cases, the states that the electoral college gives extra power to agree with the majority. Sometimes it does not. That is not a defense of giving certain groups of people more power than others. 


    go back and read post #6 a reply to you.
    That didn't answer anything. I have no idea who "governor blackface" is or what he has done. 
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    God, being a leftist must be so tiring. Just sitting there trying to defend terrorists and coming up with as many ways to f up america as possible.
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    God, being a leftist must be so tiring. Just sitting there trying to defend terrorists and coming up with as many ways to f up america as possible.
    Being a rightist must be relaxing. I mean anyone who doesn't agree with you, you just call them a communist. Any country that doesn't immediately do what you want, you just call them evil. 

    Life must be so simple when you don't stop to think about anything. 
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    Banking regulations. It was the unregulated banks that triggered a recession in 2008.

    Barney Frank(D) would like to have a word with you about that.


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    What do you expect out of liberals and especially millennial liberals. Logic and reasoning? Phhffftttt
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    Nah, liberals are just rebranded socialists now, so you're a socialist not a commie :)
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    Goebbels had nothing on the American right wing propaganda machine.
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    Nothing to do with German National Socialists.
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    Please tell me what a socialist is from the perspective of a child such as you.
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    Have you heard media sites talk about trump? They make it seem like he's the devil and anyone he comes in contact with is the spawn of hell.