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Anyone who regularly votes dem will turn out to beat trump. Plus he brings in alot of new people. young people, people who are sick of the corruption and greed of the neo-lib controlled establishment dems. 
You have proof that he brings in young people?
None of the other candidates are going to do that. (maybe yang or tulsi, but they can't win at this point). Biden will get the core dem base and then alot of people will stay home. He will lose just like hilary. 
I'd rather tulsi than bernie or biden tbh. 

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If you aren't going to bother making a point then we can drop it. 
You asked for it.
  • Enact Medicare for All, which will address racial and other disparities in health care and provide comprehensive care to everyone in America, regardless of immigration status.
Yes let's give free healthcare for anyone who just so happens to wander into America.
  • Enact College for All, which will make public colleges and universities tuition and debt free to all regardless of immigration status, and provide first-generation and minority students supports and services needed to end equity gaps in higher education attainment.
This'll cost a bunch. But what worries me most is that this might turn out to be some type of affirmative act shit.

Triple Title I funding to ensure at-risk schools get the funding they need and end funding penalties for schools that attempt to desegregate.
Don't know what this means but it probably means increase funding for schools with higher farm rates.
Provide year-round, free universal school meals; breakfast, lunch, dinner and snacks through our school meals programs to all students regardless of immigration status, and offer incentives for sourcing food from local sources.
Free education, Free healthcare, Free meals, and you don't even have to be a U.S citizen cough cough refugee camp cough cough
Address disciplinary practices in schools that disproportionately affect Black and Brown children.
yeah yeah yeah, vote farmer.
Pass a permanent repeal of the public charge statute, so we do not penalize immigrants who at some point may need to access support programs such as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) or Supplemental Security Income (SSI).
Wait we haven't given them FREE MONEY yet!
Pass the Embrace Act introduced by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to ensure immigrants get the assistance they need.
that moment when illegal immigrants get treated better than americans.



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The sad thing is that Bernie could have won easily against any of the establishment GOP candidates like Bush, Romney, and McCain.

Trump already has the support of the people with a middle finger to give to the establishment.
he did. but he is also a terrible president. so there are still alot of right wing people who hate the establishment that will back him, but that is like 30% of the country. 
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You have proof that he brings in young people?
every poll done shows he has massive support among young people. The trend line for elections recently has young people voting in record numbers. 

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I'd rather tulsi than bernie or biden tbh. 
you are entitled to your opinion. but she has no chance of winning. 

If you aren't going to bother making a point then we can drop it. 
You asked for it.
I did,, but then you refused to actually make an argument because it was too much work. 

Yes let's give free healthcare for anyone who just so happens to wander into America.
as opposed to just letting people die? Does anyone think it's a good idea to refuse people care and let them die?

  • Enact College for All, which will make public colleges and universities tuition and debt free to all regardless of immigration status, and provide first-generation and minority students supports and services needed to end equity gaps in higher education attainment.
This'll cost a bunch. But what worries me most is that this might turn out to be some type of affirmative act shit.
How does "everyone gets access to free college" turn into "affirmative act shit"? It is literally for everyone. That is the opposite of affirmative action. 

Free education, Free healthcare, Free meals, and you don't even have to be a U.S citizen cough cough refugee camp cough cough
lol so poor people get to be able to go to school and not starve, and that is supposed to be a bad thing? 

Address disciplinary practices in schools that disproportionately affect Black and Brown children.
yeah yeah yeah, vote farmer.
lots of studies have shown that schools punish people of color much more strictly than they punish white children. Pointing out and wanting to do something about that is a good thing. 

Pass a permanent repeal of the public charge statute, so we do not penalize immigrants who at some point may need to access support programs such as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) or Supplemental Security Income (SSI).
Wait we haven't given them FREE MONEY yet!
umm what? It just says that they wont be charged to access government services that they need. That isn't free money. 

Pass the Embrace Act introduced by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to ensure immigrants get the assistance they need.
that moment when illegal immigrants get treated better than americans.
The point is to make things better for EVERYONE. will he treat immigrants better than republicans do, absolutely. Will he make sure that americans get much better care than republicans do? Definitely. 

I can't understand why people are so happy to shit on other people. Sanders' plans will help you and it will help others. You hear that it will help others and immediately attack. 
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as opposed to just letting people die? Does anyone think it's a good idea to refuse people care and let them die?

You're in favor of giving illegal immigrants access to government-funded healthcare?
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I’m voting for Bernie in the primaries. Wipeout for Dems in the suburbs. I ask that y’all join me so Trump wins
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You're in favor of giving illegal immigrants access to government-funded healthcare?
are you in favor of letting women and children die by refusing to give them basic medical care?


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I’m voting for Bernie in the primaries. Wipeout for Dems in the suburbs. I ask that y’all join me so Trump wins'
lol the dems said the same thing about trump, look how that worked out for them.


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are you in favor of letting women and children die by refusing to give them basic medical care?
And men, if they are illegal. How would you feel if I broke into your home and demanded you feed me, clothe me, and give me medicine? Would that be acceptable?

I see America as my home, and I believe you do as well. So why do you allow this behavior? I can see the argument for giving healthcare to our citizens. I'm not entirely against single-payer or whatever you want to call it, but when you start demanding that I take care of people who have shown utter disregard for our laws and wish to free load off of American taxpayers, then we have a problem.
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lol the dems said the same thing about trump, look how that worked out for them.
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Trump was an anomaly and unpredictable. Bernie Sanders is tested. He lost the suburbs and urban areas to Hillary Clinton. His base is literally college voters.
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are you in favor of letting women and children die by refusing to give them basic medical care?

If they’re illegal immigrants, yes. The obligation of the President is to his constituents. Pretty simple. If there’s money left over, sure. 
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America has 5% of the world's population but is responsible for the deaths of the other 95%. Sounds legit.

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Trump was an anomaly and unpredictable. Bernie Sanders is tested. He lost the suburbs and urban areas to Hillary Clinton. .
The media worked overtime trying to spin a narrative that sanders couldn't win. Sanders also wasn't all that well known and didn't have a team built up. Sanders is now extremely well known. The narrative that he can't win is collapsing. And he has one of, if not the best running ground teams. Alot has changed this cycle. 

 His base is literally college voters.
This is not true. He is popular with college voters, that is true. But the majority of his support is working class people. He has one of, if not the most diverse coalitions. 

If they’re illegal immigrants, yes. The obligation of the President is to his constituents. Pretty simple. If there’s money left over, sure. 
lol there is that morality the right likes to pretend it has. Let's let innocent people die to save a few bucks. Jesus would be proud of you. 
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America has 5% of the world's population but is MORALLY responsible for the deaths of the other 95%. Sounds legit.


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The media worked overtime trying to spin a narrative that sanders couldn't win. Sanders also wasn't all that well known and didn't have a team built up. Sanders is now extremely well known. The narrative that he can't win is collapsing. And he has one of, if not the best running ground teams. Alot has changed this cycle. 

Progressive candidates he supported in the suburbs all lost to moderate Democrats in the primaries or to the GOP in the General. Americans just don’t like progressivism especially in the suburbs. He has zero appeal in the South. Hell a poll showed him winning by 1 in Delaware. 

This is not true. He is popular with college voters, that is true. But the majority of his support is working class people. He has one of, if not the most diverse coalitions. 

His base is college voters, that’s where the majority of his support comes from. Working class voters are divided to Biden in the primary and Trump in the general.

lol there is that morality the right likes to pretend it has. Let's let innocent people die to save a few bucks. Jesus would be proud of you. 

A.) I’m not Christian
B.) Per your logic the US is responsible for every single death in the world due to the causes you mentioned. Fundamental concept of economic: resources are scarce. You can’t help everybody. If you justify one group over an other then you are immoral. It’s much moral to take the side of what you were tasked to do and let the other govts help their own people. It’s not immoral to prefer to help your own people than others. I’d help my son over any random homeless guy on the street, and you would too
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America has 5% of the world's population but is MORALLY responsible for the deaths of the other 95%. Sounds legit.

It’s funny how no one on the left gives up every last penny but demands that we do.
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Let's let innocent people die to save a few bucks. Jesus would be proud of you. 

Also, I do not consider economic refugees fleeing socialist nations to be innocent. They asked for it.
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Also, I do not consider economic refugees fleeing socialist nations to be innocent. They asked for it.
People fleeing for fear of their lives deserve to die? I mean, if you think you are a christian, you really, really aren't.


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Progressive candidates he supported in the suburbs all lost to moderate Democrats in the primaries or to the GOP in the General.
This would be part of that narrative I mentioned. The mainstream news all hammered on the idea that only corporatist sellout candidates could possibly win. People bought into it. Then Hilary lost anyway to a populist. That narrative is alot harder to sell now. 

Americans just don’t like progressivism especially in the suburbs.
Lol the majority of bernie's support is working class people. Do you have any evidence for that?

He has zero appeal in the South.
Recent polling had him within a few points of Biden in Texas. So no, you're wrong. 

His base is college voters, that’s where the majority of his support comes from. Working class voters are divided to Biden in the primary and Trump in the general.
Please provide evidence for that. The vast majority of bernie's support is working class people, so I'd love to see your proof reality isn't true. 

Per your logic the US is responsible for every single death in the world due to the causes you mentioned.
That's not what I said at all. I said refusing someone care in america is immoral. Letting women and children die so you can save a few bucks makes you a really shitty person. 

Fundamental concept of economic: resources are scarce. You can’t help everybody.
America is the richest country in the world. It has the resources to provide basic care for everyone in it's borders. The only reason the government struggles to afford things and runs massive deficits is because the right has been forcing down tax rates on the rich for decades. 

It’s much moral to take the side of what you were tasked to do and let the other govts help their own people. It’s not immoral to prefer to help your own people than others.
It is immoral to allow people in your country that you have the power and resources to help die to save a few bucks. If you think otherwise, then you are immoral. 

I’d help my son over any random homeless guy on the street, and you would too
If you saw someone starving on the side of the road close to death, would you share some food with him or watch him die and then smugly post online about how you don't have the resources? 
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Economic refugees fear socialism, not violence. Although in a roundabout way they are equivalent, Socialism and violence.
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Economic refugees fear socialism, not violence. Although in a roundabout way they are equivalent, Socialism and violence.
lol they fear socialism? I didn't realize there were refugees from the soviet union.


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Thank you, Sanders.
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every poll done shows he has massive support among young people. The trend line for elections recently has young people voting in record numbers. 
You know that proof means the actual polls right?

you are entitled to your opinion. but she has no chance of winning. 
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as opposed to just letting people die? Does anyone think it's a good idea to refuse people care and let them die?
No this is literally a refugee camp. Do you understand what the purpose of borders are?
How does "everyone gets access to free college" turn into "affirmative act shit"?
Here:
and provide first-generation and minority students supports and services needed to end equity gaps in higher education attainment.
When the word "equity" is used you know it's gonna be bad.
It is literally for everyone. That is the opposite of affirmative action. 
sure lol
lol so poor people get to be able to go to school and not starve, and that is supposed to be a bad thing? 
First of all, these aren't poor people. They're illegal immigrants. Secondly, most of them are unemployed, it's literally marxism, do nothing and get raised by the government.
lots of studies have shown that schools punish people of color much more strictly than they punish white children. Pointing out and wanting to do something about that is a good thing. 
Again, please link those "studies".
umm what? It just says that they wont be charged to access government services that they need. That isn't free money. 
provide families with financial assistance and related support services. 
pays benefits
I mean lol it literally has "income" in the name.
The point is to make things better for EVERYONE. will he treat immigrants better than republicans do, absolutely. Will he make sure that americans get much better care than republicans do? Definitely. 
I think your high. This treats immigrants better, not your average working class american. Did you even read the "Embrace Act" bs. Here, let me clarify:
WE'RE GIVING THEM FREE MONEY, FOOD, AND EDUCATION.
I can't understand why people are so happy to shit on other people.
sigh, is that what you think this is?
Sanders' plans will help you and it will help others. You hear that it will help others and immediately attack. 
No wonder libtards hate republicans so much, they literally have no idea what's going on.


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lmao, socialismmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


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I honestly don't understand this "everyone 100% has to have higher education" meta we have going on here. After highschool that shit is optional. I litterally have an open offer from the government offering to pay my school expenses and also give me a small monthly check if I go to school which I am saving for later use because I need to go to work to pay fuckin' bills. Idk how you kids are planning on doing this shit without such an offer. Live with your parents or in dorms? Why would you willingly do either of those things? I don't understand.
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You know that proof means the actual polls right?
Here is one. there are tons more. 

No this is literally a refugee camp. Do you understand what the purpose of borders are?
borders delineate where one nation state ends and another begins. Most rational people understand that they are not intended to be closed borders where no one comes in or goes out.

and provide first-generation and minority students supports and services needed to end equity gaps in higher education attainment.
When the word "equity" is used you know it's gonna be bad.
The current system, for many reasons, makes it easier for white kids to go to college. A system where literally everyone has the ability to go to college would fix that gap. That's not "affirmative action" it is providing a service to everyone. 

It is literally for everyone. That is the opposite of affirmative action. 
sure lol
so you see the plan that says it is for everyone and your response is "sure lol"? Do you have any reason to doubt that this is the case?

First of all, these aren't poor people. They're illegal immigrants. Secondly, most of them are unemployed, it's literally marxism, do nothing and get raised by the government.
if you think feeding people is marxism, you obviously have no idea what marxism is. 

lots of studies have shown that schools punish people of color much more strictly than they punish white children. Pointing out and wanting to do something about that is a good thing. 
Again, please link those "studies".
Here you go

pays benefits
I mean lol it literally has "income" in the name.
did you actually look at the information? It was about whether the government would charge people to access those services, not about creating those services. 

I think your high. This treats immigrants better, not your average working class american. Did you even read the "Embrace Act" bs. Here, let me clarify:
WE'RE GIVING THEM FREE MONEY, FOOD, AND EDUCATION.
ok, so we are expanding the workforce, increasing the education and skills of the workforce. What about that is a bad thing? And this is just 1 part of his platform. The vast majority of it is about how he will make your life better. You are focusing on one part where he will make other peoples lives better too and I can't figure out why that offends you. 

No wonder libtards hate republicans so much, they literally have no idea what's going on.
lol sanders has plans to help the vast majority of americas. You (I am guessing) support a party that loves to screw over the working class and funnel money to the rich. And you claim that liberals don't understand what is going on?
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This would be part of that narrative I mentioned. The mainstream news all hammered on the idea that only corporatist sellout candidates could possibly win. People bought into it. Then Hilary lost anyway to a populist. That narrative is alot harder to sell now. 
No, it’s because a third of Americans are moderate, which are unlikely to support radical, socialist policies. These moderate Americans helped Democrats win back the House, not Progressives who as I mentioned were pretty much slaughtered. 

Lol the majority of bernie's support is working class people. Do you have any evidence for that?
I specifically said base - voters that will stick with him no matter what. These people are disproportionately young voters. Bernie trounced Hillary in that category, and his share is practically the same but a bit less because there are more candidates out there.


Here’s proof that working class voters support Biden, in November it was 2:1 ratio. Now I believe it’s tied. Either way, they’re not a part of the base which means people that would support their candidate no matter what. Think of the evangelicals and Trump.


Recent polling had him within a few points of Biden in Texas. So no, you're wrong. 

He’s losing by an average of 7 percent in aggregate polling in my home state of Texas. 

He is being trounced in South Carolina, whose demographics are majority black like the rest of the Deep South.

He’s losing in Florida by a mile

The conclusion: he’s not winning one state in the South because of the traditional African American voters supporting Biden

That's not what I said at all. I said refusing someone care in america is immoral. Letting women and children die so you can save a few bucks makes you a really shitty person. 
Again, what’s the difference between a poor hungry person coming from Latin America and a poor hungry person in Africa. Using your logic we have an obligation to help both and not just one. If you say Latin Americans are closer, you’re discriminating based on location. Says a lot about your morals doesn’t it? Let me be selfish, you’re more than welcome to donate all your money. No one is stopping you. 


America is the richest country in the world. It has the resources to provide basic care for everyone in it's borders. The only reason the government struggles to afford things and runs massive deficits is because the right has been forcing down tax rates on the rich for decades. 
Your ignorance is blinding. Inner cities run by Democrats for years are incredibly worse off. Homeless situation in San Francisco, people taking shits on the street. The rich have nothing to do with it. We run deficits. We get the money, but it’s the job of local govt to use that money, but guess what Democrats don’t. Either way, my point was that we don’t have the capacity to help every poor soul in the world, and to me it’s immoral to help one group and not the other.

If you saw someone starving on the side of the road close to death, would you share some food with him or watch him die and then smugly post online about how you don't have the resources? 
That’s a false equivalence fallacy. Let’s put it this way, and I want a yes or no answer. You and your family have to give up half of everything you have to an illegal immigrant family. Would you do it? Yes or No. If yes, great! Go bring an illegal immigrant family in your house and do it. If not, you’re selfish and immoral.


My main point is, throughout history, humans have been greedy. Every action you take depends upon your own selfishness and greed. I challenge you to create one scenario where an interaction doesn’t have some form of selfishness and greed.
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I honestly don't understand this "everyone 100% has to have higher education" meta we have going on here. After highschool that shit is optional. I litterally have an open offer from the government offering to pay my school expenses and also give me a small monthly check if I go to school which I am saving for later use because I need to go to work to pay fuckin' bills. Idk how you kids are planning on doing this shit without such an offer. Live with your parents or in dorms? Why would you willingly do either of those things? I don't understand.

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It's so funny that this failed impeachment designed to protect Biden has ironically destroyed the DNC's chances of stopping Bernie from permanently reshaping the Democratic Party into the Socialist Party.

Maybe this will give rise to a 3 party system now, Socialists, Republicans, and the Tea party.
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It's so funny that this failed impeachment designed to protect Biden has ironically destroyed the DNC's chances of stopping Bernie from permanently reshaping the Democratic Party into the Socialist Party.

Maybe this will give rise to a 3 party system now, Socialists, Republicans, and the Tea party.

Nancy Pelosi’s plan backfired hard. Cocaine Mitch wins once again 🤷‍♂️