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Yeah i'll go ahead and sheep the guy that self-destructed on a confirmed townie two games ago. What could possibly go wrong?

VTL virt

For real though even if we lynch lunatic and have him replace into virts slot we have a whole DP of no behavior to analyze from this slot so let's just get it out of the way now rather than carry dead weight to LyLy/MyLo
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B: Oh uh, no... no not just because of the miller claim. I meant to do that to generate behavior that we can think on further (223).

L: You litterally just said "no need to think further" (225).

I don't actually see a problem here. Saying things to test people's reactions is pretty standard. If what Bullish says he intended to do was correct, well...there's 17 pages of stuff to analyze.
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I tried to find a youtube clip of the second half of the Monty Python parrot sketch to snip out the bit where the shopkeeper meekly says "it's a pun" with my video editor and upload that snip. Would have put that link as the last line by bullish lol

Couldn't find it after a solid 90 seconds of looking so I gave up.
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Definitely enough material to look through from supa that I'll unvote now. I'd also be down to hop on the virt inactivity wagon but that seems slightly hypocritical. Imma go back through all the luna shit to figure out if that's where I wanna vote because rn I'm not super sold on the idea.
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I don't actually see a problem here. Saying things to test people's reactions is pretty standard. If what Bullish says he intended to do was correct, well...there's 17 pages of stuff to analyze.

Bullish hasn't done much of any behavioral analyzation, except for tunnel an already willing to die townie, and mention he is also one of the many willing to lynch virt based on inactivity. This CC policy must be a bigger deal than the inactivity policy.
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Behavior was certainly generated yes.

You implication that it was generated by bullish, on the other hand...
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If i understand bullish's intent correctly, and he's free to correct me if I'm wrong, his intent wasn't specifically analyze behavior, but rather generate content that can be analyzed. Hence the "flashpoints of behavioral analysis" bit.
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Solely by Bullish? Sure. Any by Bullish at all? I feel like 419 contradicts you.
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Yeah i'll go ahead and sheep the guy that self-destructed on a confirmed townie two games ago. What could possibly go wrong?
what could possibly go wrong? :)
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On one hand, yes that is what he is now saying his intent was.

 On the other hand, that is not actually what his intent was (again see post 40).

Where I come from we call this a "backtrack".
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what could possibly go wrong? :)
Bruh. We're getting close to 500 posts in this thread. It's already a massive pain to review. Don't clog it up any more than that with fluff. 

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By the way like I said before I don't scum read bullish for this, just pointing out poor play. I scum read him for doing this exact same thing in speeds game to GP and bullish turned out town there and that is the main reason I am town reading bullish this game.

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I mean...

If I'm going to make a post to look for certain behavior or test for a reaction, I'm certainly not going to announce it when I make the post. 

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Okay like you said no need to clog up the DP since I don't scum read him and we can save the discussion for why his play was bad for another time, I am just pointing out that it is bad.
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I'll preface this with saying I hate how you keep refusing to use the quote system at times to suit your needs, and its one of DART and DDO's best features. I notice people start doing this when they feel they are losing an argument. Primarily YYW is the one is is pretty prone to do this, and leave a wall of text rather than responding to things individually. What this allows him to do is to make broad over generalizations about a point rather than address it directly, and allows you to mis-represent the opponent (as you tried doing earlier when I asked you what you would do as a town miller who just got CC'ed). The fact that you are doing this at all is a pretty big scum tell in and of itself. It also (like the effect YYW has by doing it) allows a post to look much too massive for players to want to read. People do this in hopes people will skip the fine print dialogue between the two debaters and just go for the summary. People who feel like they are right in their argument don't need to resort to this tactic. 


oh my god TUF you've been playing this game for 10 goddamn years how can you not realize this, BEHAVIOUR IS GENERATED BY VOTING PEOPLE, and it is my personal mafia belief that a VOTE should always be backed with the intent to KILL. Of all the people here, why am I having this discussion with YOU.
So if your intention is to outright kill me, so why does my behavior matter if it is your goal that my death is met either way?

You have misrepresented all my positions on your wagon. First of all I never claimed that voting you was based on behaviour, I voted you because you were covered by not 1, but TWO policies.
No it's definitely not that simple. If you would have kept this at your first post, I would buy that. But the fact that your repeatedly defending the idea that there is more logic to this than following lazy policies is where you continuously contradict yourself.

Then I questioned your apparent belief that voting can't generate behaviour.
Again, a blatant lie and mis-representation. See it's convenient not using the qouting system isn't it? You can put words in people's mouths and expect people to buy that as truth. I never said voting can't generate behavior. I defended quite the opposite position in virt's mafia when Supa was on drafter for an RVS vote. I am simply stating it is not in YOUR intention to look at today's lynch behaviorally, you were quite clear from the beginning that this should be a simple solution by voting for me and that we shouldn't over think things. 

Like to told Ragnar last game, wanting to lynch people has never been in the history of mafia been lazy. The laziest and lowest activity games typically end in no-reads and no-lynches for a reason.
Pulling info out of your ass or do have a database of information pertaining to every mafia game in history? There are players who are notoriously lazy in this game, 3 of whom are on my wagon, GP, supa, and wylted. It's why I can kinda buy them as maybe being town with it, even if it does continuously piss me off in every game I play with them. You on there otherhand are going out of your way to pretend like there is more to this while also doubling down on this being a lazy easy policy thing. It's why you in particular appear more scummy than the rest.

You're also irrationally critical of 2 SOP reasons to vote you: being miller and being CC'd. Drafter is completely right you are selectively ignoring how this game is played based on your convenience.

Nah, drafter agrees with me about following a policy to conform for survival is different than believing in a policy, that conversation was going in circles, and it's probably why he stopped responding. And while I always argue against policy behavior as town, the whole argument concerning you isn't that you are following policies, it's that you are pretending to do so, but inconsistently. It shows at its core, you are pursuing what you believe to be an easy to sell mis-lynch. And at it's core, you are right. I figured I would have been mis-lynched by now. Lucky there is some sanity among the living players.


As town you would just count those points against you and scum hunt like normal so your behaviours prove your towniness.
I have counted them against me, and it's the reason I am okay with dying this phase. If I am going to die innocent though I am going to try and dish out scum along with me, and that's also what I am doing by FOSing your intentions with this. You have been the unusual one of the bunch on my wagon. 

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forgot to tag you
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lmao that's ironic aint it
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Not really.

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Ok I see you mean quotes, not replies.
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As a side note bullish, man to man, if you really are town (dismiss as WIFOM if you want, I don't care) check my behavior with supas south park game. Did I fight you or anyone this hard about getting mislynched in that game? I was pretty damn lazy and over-confident as scum in that game, and was inactive for large blurts of it.

Another reason I have been having a hard time buying you as town is because I don't see you being objective about this as you were in that game (you backed off drafter after hardcore tunneling him initially) and even backed off the argument in Speeds game about my third party claim being a scum gambit. You haven't appeared all that objective to me so far or even really open to the idea that you could be wrong on this, or that you could care less at the mislynch consequence of being wrong. Just some food for thought. If I do get lynched, and you are town, I at least invite you to take what I am saying here with a grain of salt when dealing with this situation in the future.
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After rereading the DP and noticing post 407 for the first time I am going to reevaluate my town read of bullish. There is no need for a townie to backtrack that many times.
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Still waiting on a response to post 357.
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Vote Count

Lunatic - (4/7) Bullish, Singularity, Supa, Greyparrot 

SupaDudz - (3/7) Zaradi, Oro, Lunatic

Virtuoso - (3/7) Water, Drafter, Disc

Bullish - (1/7) Lunatic

Lmk if I have something wrong

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Virtuoso just made a post in warren's sign up thread. Confirmation that he is alive. 

Can you make a post? People are suspect of your silence.
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Yeah, sorry I've been incredibly busy. I haven't been feeling well recently. I honestly forgot I signed up for this game. 
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@Lunatic
Do you think I should claim? 
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@David
Welcome. First things first, do you believe in the possibility of 2 millers?
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It's possible, but I would view it as highly bastard. 
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@David
At least character to get some of the pressure off. If i get lynched I will try to replace you