Penetrating The Real Reason For Bigotry

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@ethang5
Wait, WHAT narrow, to the letter definition of the terms in the verse?


If you're contending that "man with another man" applies to all men, not just homosexuals, then the rest of that verse should be read with equal literality: "lie with another man as he does a woman." In which case, "lie with a woman" means literally lying down. No? 

The word "lays" in the verse does not mean supine, genius. Do you think a chicken is lying down when it lays an egg?
Please explain how the word in the verse means anything other than laying down, if the rest of the verse is literal. Either way it's bad news

How can the verse be singling out homosexuals when the same behavior by a heterosexual is just as prohibited?
I didn't argue that it was. I am saying it doesn't single out anyone at all except people who are committing sexual acts while laying down, and it's okay for one heterosexual man to blow another man because he can't give a blow job to a woman. 

But can't you answer the question and post your gay porn too? Why does it have to be only gay porn?
Huh??? Why would I post gay porn? Sorry if I missed some of your incredibly insightful nuggets in your back and forth with your latest internet rival, reading that sh1t is boring AF so I skim. 
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@ethang5
Attacking God doesn't excuse your bigotry Abdul.

Your god is the creator of all things - like it or not!!  He created homosexuals and the Aides and Leprosy. He created Small Pox, Pneumonia   and all Cancer. He created Dementia, Spina Bifida and  Downs, Syndrome, and every sexually transmitted there is to be caught in the whole wide world;  you name it and your gods fingerprints are all over it . He created everything that turned out bad even though he says "it was ALL good". 



There are over 60 verses in the scriptures concerning 'creator of all things'  princess, and all of them agree with me. NOT YOU!!!!! here are a few.

Colossians 1:16 New International Version (NIV)
16  all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, 

Nehemiah 9:6 New International Version (NIV)
6 You alone are the Lord. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry host, the earth and all that is on it,

Revelation 4:11 New International Version (NIV)
11 “for you created all things,  and by your will they were created and have their being.”


John 1:3 New International Version (NIV)
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Isaiah 64:8 New International Version (NIV)
8 . we are all the work of your hand.




Get over it princess. Your god is a failure who couldn't even remember to create a slave to do all the digging on the land, although , he did remember in the end.
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To those that participate in sinking themselves to the nuts into (a) man's dirty shit-pipe, it is, I assume,  the most "natural" thing in the world.
So, what if you substitute "man's" to "woman's"?

I don't have the statistics and quite frankly it's none of my business but isn't that what 80% of heterosexual men do?

Then why single out homosexuals in particular?


I can't speak for all religions, but the Catholic church is against all forms of sexual activity whose purpose is not procreation. So, they are against sodomy, regardless of sexual orientation.

Furthermore, they don't single out gays in any way. If the gay guy marries a woman and has kids, which occasionally happens, they are perfectly fine with it.
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If you're contending that "man with another man" applies to all men, not just homosexuals,
I'm not contending anything sir. That is what the verse says! Do you disagree that it applies to all men?

then the rest of that verse should be read with equal literality: "lie with another man as he does a woman."
The verse is not being read with literality homer. It is just being read.

In which case, "lie with a woman" means literally lying down. No? 
No. Words have more than one meaning genius. Lie does not mean horizontal. But even if we take your bogus idea, the same behavior by a heterosexual would be the same violation.

Please explain how the word in the verse means anything other than laying down,
I don't have to. It makes no difference to my point. A heterosexual man doing the same thing is equally an abomination.

...if the rest of the verse is literal. Either way it's bad news
Bad news for you. There is no law that says the entire verse has to be literal. Second, the laying is not metaphorical, it is simply another meaning of the word "lay".

I am saying it doesn't single out anyone at all except people who are committing sexual acts while laying down,
Lol. OK genius. I guess chickens lay eggs horizontally. At least my point that the verse is not discriminatory to homosexuals is demonstrated.

...and it's okay for one heterosexual man to blow another man because he can't give a blow job to a woman. 
Who you blow, and who you think it's OK to blow is your business. I couldn't care less.

Huh??? Why would I post gay porn? 
How would I know? You're the one babbling about blowing men.
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Your god is the creator of all things - like it or not!!
Did He create your bogus threads? Arguments are not won by dumb insistence festus.

He created homosexuals and the Aides and Leprosy. He created Small Pox, Pneumonia   and all Cancer. He created Dementia, Spina Bifida and  Downs, Syndrome, and every sexually transmitted there is to be caught in the whole wide world;  you name it and your gods fingerprints are all over it . He created everything that turned out bad even though he says "it was ALL good".
Then why does he call himself Stephen?

There are over 60 verses in the scriptures concerning 'creator of all things'  princess, and all of them agree with me. NOT YOU!!!!! here are a few.
So let me get this straight. The bible is true and correct?

Get over it princess. Your god is a failure who couldn't even remember to create a slave to do all the digging on the land, although , he did remember in the end.
Lol! So my God created you, the sun, life and the entire universe, but He is a failure?

And I guess, you're a success? Lmao!

Neither you nor Ludo could answer a simple question, but you're successes?

Somehow, I don't think God is shaking in his wingtip booties.

"The Aides" ROFL!!
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I do not have an irrational fear of so called "homosexuals", neither do I treat anyone unjustly. Your accusations are unfounded.
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Temptation does not define a person. Entertaining temptation is what wires your brain to fantasize about things. Just as your mind can be trained into making a fetish out of these attractions, so can the mind be trained to reject these temptations.


It would be silly to say that because someone is attracted to guitar playing that they are a guitarist. It would be silly to say that because someone is tempted to steal regularly that they are a thief. Likewise, someone who is simply tempted by homosexuality is not a homosexual. 


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Stop being evasive.  Are you saying TO BE homosexual is a conscientious life style choice and not a genetic disorder?


I was not ambiguous in any way. It is a choice.
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@Mopac
I do not have an irrational fear of so called "homosexuals", neither do I treat anyone unjustly. Your accusations are unfounded.
"So called" now are they?

What you may call "unjust" is downright offensive and unacceptable to most.

My accusations are completely justified.

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As I stated, I don't believe that homosexuality is an innate quality of a person anymore than being a guitar player or a basketball player.



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@Mopac
That is a false equivalency. Guitarists and thieves are defined by their respective acts. Homosexuality is not. It is instead defined by attraction to the same gender.

The terms you are looking for are MSM and WSW (Men/Women who have sex with Men/Women). In which case you are correct. Someone who is simply attracted to their own sex is not a MSM/WSW but they are by definition homosexual.




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@dustryder
I don't accept this defining of homosexuality at all. This is an understanding that is in every way subversive in nature. 



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@Mopac
Not accepting the definition of a word simply because you don't like the definition or the implication of the definition is just childish.
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I don't accept the definition as legitimite. Quite the contrary, I find it offensive and reprehensible.
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@Mopac
Word definition legitimacy is fortunately not predicated upon you finding the word definition pleasing, and instead is quite sensibly predicated upon etymology and common parlance.
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Homosexuality is defined by Merriam-webster as...

"of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex"

It has everything to do with choice. 
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A Homosexual is defined by Merriam-webster as...

"a person who is sexually attracted to people of the same sex"

It has everything to do with attraction

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No one can see attraction. It has to do with behavior. And adults control their behavior. Homosexual behavior is by choice, or else it is a crime.
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@dustryder
It's all about satisfying inherent reproductive demands.

How one achieves such satisfaction is largely irrelevant.

Unless procreation is the actual purpose. Nonetheless there are ways around that one which do not involve heterosexual copulation.

The whole living together, marriage, fitted kitchen thing, in reality is completely irrelevant as long as the perpetuation of the species is not affected.
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Entertaining thoughts leads to fantasizing. Our choices effect what is attractive. They even determine our attractions.

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No one can see attraction. It has to do with behavior. And adults control their behavior. Homosexual behavior is by choice, or else it is a crime.
Oh, I see. So, by the same token, one may say that heterosexual behavior is by choice, or else it is a crime.

And, if not, then one can be assumed to be homophobic and bigoted.
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Oh, I see. So, by the same token, one may say that heterosexual behavioris by choice, or else it is a crime.
Of course.

And, if not,...
And if not what? If not by the same token? If not heterosexual behavior? If not by choice? Tell us equivocator. If not what?

then one can be assumed to be homophobic and bigoted
You always assume that of Christians anyway you bigoted hypocrite.

Unless you are engaging in sexual behavior with yourself, it needs to be by choice of all parties involved, or else it's a crime. Sexual assault.

Sheep are exempt.
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Attacking God doesn't excuse your bigotry Abdul.

Your god is the creator of all things - like it or not!!  He created homosexuals and the Aides and Leprosy. He created Small Pox, Pneumonia   and all Cancer. He created Dementia, Spina Bifida and  Downs, Syndrome, and every sexually transmitted there is to be caught in the whole wide world;  you name it and your gods fingerprints are all over it . He created everything that turned out bad even though he says "it was ALL good". 



There are over 60 verses in the scriptures concerning 'creator of all things'  princess, and all of them agree with me. NOT YOU!!!!! here are a few.

Colossians 1:16 New International Version (NIV)
16  all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, 

Nehemiah 9:6 New International Version (NIV)
6 You alone are the Lord. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry host, the earth and all that is on it,

Revelation 4:11 New International Version (NIV)
11 “for you created all things,  and by your will they were created and have their being.”


John 1:3 New International Version (NIV)
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Isaiah 64:8 New International Version (NIV)
8 . we are all the work of your hand.




Get over it princess. Your god is a failure who couldn't even remember to create a slave to do all the digging on the land, although , he did remember in the end

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@Stephen
Repeating a debunked post is silly homer.

Or are you like hindu hari who thinks the last to post wins the argument?

You are a bigot. Nothing you can post about God changes that.

All the questions in my post you dodged still remain there calling you a fake and a fraud. You can't win by spam, or by being obstinate.

You will have to use your brain. If you have one.
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@Salixes
I'm playing Devil's Advocate when I say this, but what about the fact that homosexuals are more likely to get HIV from their sex habits?  Do you think banning homosexuality can help quell the HIV epidemic within the homosexual community?