Does Racism Require Ethnic Power Over Another Ethnic Group?

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09.20.2018 03:20PM

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@ravensjt

One thing at a time please, and I would prefer primary sources. As an example, the first statistical claim in the article you posted references a Brown University study.

If you could accomodate my request for ease of conversation, I would appreciate it, thank you.

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09.20.2018 05:17PM

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@ravensjt

This aint complex..... If Blacks are in Power and the persecute Whites based off of their Race, then thats Racism that includes but is not limited to South African Blacks.... does that obvious disclaimer make it more clear?

Yes, it does. Thanks. I knew I could not be wrong about you.

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09.21.2018 06:05PM

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@ravensjt

It certainly would've been dumb.... But no, South Africans were/are taking back what was rightfully theirs, Those Whites were the beneficiaries of stolen land. Their Race is a by product of the thievery of their Forefathers

By this logic, the native tribes of South Africa should ethnically cleanse all of the Bantus.

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09.21.2018 06:12PM

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@ravensjt

The minority Race can be prejudice or bigoted.......

Racism is a system in which a dominant Race benefits off the oppression of others,overtly or covertly, consciously or subconsciously

Racism doesn't always equate to the majority Race (See South Africa)

Because of this, it's debatable whether the downtrodden Race can be "Racist"

Jews disproportionnately make up the upper and wealthier classes of various nations, which is done while keeping others down. Does this mean discrimination against Jews could not be anti-Semitic?

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Reece

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09.22.2018 04:18AM

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@triangle.128k

Seriously? Is that meant to be a trick question? Try to follow the reasoning. When trying to group people like this, there are obviously outliers.

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09.24.2018 12:55PM

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@triangle.128k

By this logic, the native tribes of South Africa should ethnically cleanse all of the Bantus.

"Ethnically Cleanse" means to wipe out another Ethnicity.

Black South Africans aren't doing that

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09.24.2018 01:33PM

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@triangle.128k

Jews disproportionnately make up the upper and wealthier classes of various nations, which is done while keeping others down. Does this mean discrimination against Jews could not be anti-Semitic?

Two things before I respond:

1. I don't consider Jews to be a Race

2. Semites are people of southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs.

Racism is prejudice + power...... In your scenario, the minority doesn't have that power

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09.24.2018 03:58PM

If you have the power to be racist, but can get away with not being called racist for it... isn't that prejudice + power?

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09.24.2018 05:01PM

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@ravensjt

Probably not. However, would discrimination against Bantus by the Native tribes be justified? If not, why should white farmers face land seizures instead of finding more reasonable ways of dealing with the situation?

Also, Jews are more or less an ingroup. They consider themselves to have, more or less, an identity in blood. There is such a thing as "ethnic Jew." The Jews are certainly in positions of power and have all the means to be prejudiced. Why is that not racism?

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09.24.2018 05:28PM

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@triangle.128k

Probably not. However, would discrimination against Bantus by the Native tribes be justified? If not, why should white farmers face land seizures instead of finding more reasonable ways of dealing with the situation?

Not understanding your question as the term "Bantus" refers to South African Blacks during apartheid.

Redistribution with compensation is reasonable IMO

There is no way that the farmers are entitled to land that was taken due to apartheid (imo)

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09.26.2018 12:12AM

Racism requires nothing. you just call it racist and there you have it, it's racist. No one can ever prove something isn't racist. I defy anyone to try. Don't think your intelectual logical arguments are in any way one shred of proof. I tried that. It is impossible to prove you are not or something isn't racist once someone calls you or something racist. End of story.

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09.26.2018 01:41AM

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@Reece

Fuck no.

Racism requires someone to mistreat another because of their ethnicity, or consider their ethnicity superior to others. It has nothing to do with power.

This bullshit idea that SJW's keep trying to desperately to push that "racism is based on power" is nothing more than a bullshit way to place ALL blame on white people and only white people.

Whites can be the victims of racism, blacks can be perpetrators of racism. It doesn't matter if you're in the majority or not.

There's a city rather close to me that is predominately Chinese. Does that mean if I go to that area of land that is predominately Chinese and call everyone chinks, it's not racist?

I don't get offended when people are racist to me, because I'm not a whiny loser, but I would still say that they're obviously being racist.

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09.27.2018 02:57PM

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@Reece

Criminality is ideally non existant. Its a minority behaviour in a decent society and there's just no way around that. The police are in a position of inherent interest to target the minority and investigate "unusual" activity for goodness sake. It's arguably in one's best personal interest to refrain from known associatians with criminality in your locale if you are concerned about interaction with police.

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11.25.2018 02:07AM

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@Reece

"Racism" is a term steeped in slander, hysterics and murkiness, and thus should not be used: (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/174).

Instead, "racial hatred" might be useful as a replacement for "racism", in your thread.

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10.03.2020 09:18PM

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@Greyparrot

Feeling that you belong to a race that is genetically inferior is also racism. Note I said feel because there is no basis in science for multiple races since we are all mutts from one race in Africa.

Am I wrong to think that a significant number of Hutus and the Tutsis saw each other as different ethnicities/races/people?

I'm not certain about that, but from what little I've read, it sounds that way to me.

And seems to happen that way in other places as well.

The Brits, Scots, and Irish, for example.

Or Herman Goring talking about how different he thinks Germans are from one another, depending on what part of the country they were born to and grew up in.

Don't have the book with me, but he goes on about how unfeeling this group of Germans is compared to this group, or how much more artistic that group of Germans is.

And stated he thought it was due to blood and genetics, I mean.

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10.03.2020 09:37PM

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@Lemming

Cosmetic phenotype DNA does not determine the ability of a person to assimilate into any culture in any nation on the planet, and phenotypes are shared between people with DNA originating from every place on the planet due to the thousands of years of humans travelling by wheel, boat, and horse.

There are no pure races left on Earth and have not been for a very long time minus maybe 100 people in some remote islands in the Pacific or Indian oceans.

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10.05.2020 06:05AM

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@Greyparrot

Even people on remote islands got there somehow.

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11.08.2020 04:37PM

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@Reece

Maybe? I mean they might need to perceive power dynamic at some point as a perquisite to their worldview. This has nothing to do with demographics.

Racism isn't necessarily offensive. It's necessarily stupid. Every racist I have interviewed has been able to trace back to some kind of fear or an inferiority/superiority complex.

That is irrelevant in practice. They'll click back to reality eventually after talking for awhile and respecting them without disrespecting yourself.

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