Why Trump is really Hitler.

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"my definition is right, your definition is wrong"

Aww how cute, you really do have a hard-on against the necessity of objective structure and meaning in language, huh? 

Damn you to heck language! Why cant you be whatever i want you to be!?

*Shakes fist at sky*
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This is how it works when it comes to ideologies:

ideologies are *specific* sets of ideas/ideals. If you differ from one, you can no longer hold yourself as adhering to it.

"But Facist is an umbrella term"

No, its freaking not. Its a specific set of ideas/ideals. Authoritarian/Totalitarian is the umbrella terms "Facist" is categorized under.

Much like Christianity is the umbrella term for belief in Christ as the Messiah. But under that umbrella you have a boatload of specific ideologies that either greatly differentiate, or minutely differentiate. But regardless of scope of differentiation, you cant hold an ideology as the same unless it's specifically applies. This is for example why Calvinism and Lutheranism exist, despite only differentiating on the relatively minor aspect of "who gets into heaven and why". Lutheran's hold anyone can, Calvinist ls believe its predetermined. Thats the only difference, but yet .the are held are still held as two *distinct* and *seperate* ideologies depsite both being a sect of Christianity

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If anything Facism is actually a very limited label, much like Salinism. It existed under extremely limiting circumstances with specific actors.
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Exactly, although remove the "specific actors" the actors can change, the ideas/ideals cannot. 

im not saying you cant say like, "Facistic" which would imply shared characteristics, but not total adherence. But when one says "Facist" or "Facism" you are referring to a specific ideology that has a specific set of ideas/ideals. Almost all are shared with one or another ideology, but there isnt another ideology that shares *all* characteristics and therefore it is *distinct* from other ideologies. 

If there is a differentiation, that differentiation has to be stated as one is no longer speaking of the same thing. This is for example, why Communism and Facism share ALOT of characteristics. But communists still despise facists becauae of the crucial differentiation to the end game. Communists dont want a state ultimately, Facists want total state control ultimately. At least in that specific aspect. Communists view everything through the lens of poor v rich. Facists view it through the lens of poor v rich, BUT add the qualifier of only those poor who are native citizens. 


This would be exactly the reason why Gentile was shot to death by Communists, despite holding many shared beliefs with them 🤔

They both still want total control, but Facists want to bring that about via the state and elimination of all opposition, Communists want to bring that about via violent revolution that disbands the state but still involves the elimination of anyone who opposes it. Something they hold would make the necessity of a state null and void.

For example, Nazi Germany and Italy circa Mussolini were by every metric Facists. Hitler based it on Germanic descent, Mussolini based it on Italian descent. 

This would be why we label Nazi's nowadays "Neo-Nazi's" because they've dropped the nationalism and base it off of European(White) descent as a whole. They can't be held as Nazi's. Nor can they be held as Facist. They do however share many characteristics with both, hence the label "Neo-Nazi" to indicate they share alot with it, but still distinctly differentiate from it. 

I just like the "Right-Wing Supremacy" thing. Listen to Richard Spencer speak for awhile, he sounds like an SJW progressive. But instead of being all about disliking whites, its all about lovin him some whiteness and disliking everyone else 🤔. 

Richard Spencer- "party? Party is just a vessel" 


Sure it is, you keep telling yourself that Mr. "Alt-Right" 😂😂😂
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You’ll often hear Left-wing people saying that fascism was a Right-wing movement because it stressed race or national identity. But some Right-wing thinkers insist it was a Left-wing movement because it rejected class elitism and put controls on the economy. The truth is that fascists usually defined themselves as being neither Left nor Right but a combination of whatever policies helped to win power and "rejuvenate" the nation. It's simply nationalism with a dictator. Economics and social leans are secondary.
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You know, that's actually really compelling, the view that whether Facism would be right or left is a matter of convenience. Def give that some thought 🤔
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Stalin's Communism mimicked Fascist oligarchy and the methods to remain in charge but completely altered the focus away from profit and economic prowess to be instead on the glory of the agriculture and working class. This means he couldn't be Fascist by definition.

Fascism is ALWAYS more right-wing than left-wing.
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That's a weird thing to claim when the world presently has plenty of leftist nationalists. Do you think Cuba is right wing nationalist?
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There's that "differentiating between two things via shared characharacteristics" again

I see its quite the popular spicy take, like Mikes Red Hot, people here are throwing that sh$t on everything 😏
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Can't say I never heard right-wingers comparing Obama to Hitler from 2008 to 2016. In my experience one side is bound to knee-jerk go for this when the other side is in office.
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Trump doesn't have the intellect to be a Hitler even though they're both mad.
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Impressive economic record for a madman.
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I think there are certainly similarities. Trump marginalizes those perceived as out-groups, appeals to the underlying prejudices of the nation, seems to have an affinity for totalitarianism, and views himself as something *just* short of a god. 

Other than that...the two are nothing alike. ;-)

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 seems to have an affinity for totalitarianism
Can you cite any examples of this?

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That's a cute article. Anyway, still waiting on what Trump has done that you consider as a totalitarian president.
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[...] still waiting on what Trump has done that you consider as a totalitarian president.

I stated Trump 'seems to have an affinity for totalitarianism' not that he was a "totalitarian president", and what I've provided should be sufficient.


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I stated Trump 'seems to have an affinity for totalitarianism' not that he was a "totalitarian president", and what I've provided should be sufficient.
You know what? Fine. I like big butts personally, and I cannot lie.

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This other brother can't deny!

Lol!! I went looking for your posts and found this gem. Deserves to be in the retort HOF.

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guys trump is literally Hitler, I mean he likes Israel, a jewish state, but ignore that
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Also ignore the fact that his daughter is now Jewish (and he would date her if she wasn’t his daughter!)
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The argument is basically:

Hilter drank water.
Trump drinks water.
Therefore Trump is just like Hitler.

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true,true 
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Dude, the similarities don’t stop there. They both BREATHED OXYGEN!
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Trump, Netanyahu and Hitler.

Obsequious, self righteous arrogance, that decides the fate of a nations without consultation.

Yep, all as bad as one another.
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@RationalMadman
Calling people brainwashed makes you look desperate. It's a total loser intellectually. Instant turn off and a giant red herring. My opinion of coarse.