Coronavirus.

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  • zedvictor4
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    Asia
    SARS virus
    Coronavirus
    Italy
    Face Masks
    White Suits
    Disinfectant Spraying
    Media Hype
    Destabilisation
    Mass Migration
    Conspiracy.

    I'm usually disparaging about conspiracy theories. But there just seems to be something odd about all the attention being given to yet another seasonal respiratory virus, that typically most people will recover from quickly and some older and more vulnerable people may die as a result of.

    What's different this time around?




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    What's different this time around?

    News people are talking about it. That's pretty much it from what I can tell.
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    Having no 24-hour cable news, and multiple channels of it of it, we might be exposed to just about what the subject deserves. Once a void is filled, there is no guarantee what fills it is beneficial, let alone wanted.
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    Seems like you have your answer.

    Coronavirus has killed almost 4000 people altogether so far. Regretable, yes, but not something that should have taken over 10% off the NASDAQ (and 3.5% out of my personal portfolio in just 2 days before I decided to liquidate and wait for sanity to return).

    Meanwhile malaria kills over 1000 people each day. Why no huge malaria panic? Because news people aren't talking about malaria.
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    We also don't know how many of the corona deaths would have been seasonal normal flu deaths anyway.

    Especially since we know of 20,000 deaths from "normal" flu this season in the USA and only a handful of deaths (22)  from Corona in the USA.

    In a world of almost 10 billion people, you have to have at least a few 100 million deaths for it to be an actual pandemic. Losing less than 1% of the global population to the flu isn't a real threat.
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    We also don't know how many of the corona deaths would have been seasonal normal flu deaths anyway.

    Irrelevant. This panic would still be completely unjustified if the flu didn't even exist. Malaria deaths have been on a significant decline over the last decade yet still malaria kills more people in half a week than coronavirus has all season.

    Why no end-of-the-world panic over malaria? Because people grew up hearing about malaria. It's mundane. You can't convince someone that malaria is going to end the world when it has been going on so long already and has failed to do so. Coronavirus is a  new and scary name though so it must be bad!
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    I guess so, but 20,000 deaths vs 22 isn't very scary to me.
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    Why are you comparing worldwide flu deaths to U.S. coronavirus deaths?

    It would make more sense to compare worldwide flu deaths to worldwide coronavirus deaths.
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    The only one I found was USA flu deaths, Do you have a (nearly) accurate stat for worldwide flu deaths?
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    22 is USA  deaths. Where did I say world corona deaths?
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    Your nit-picking is raising my troll antennae.
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    Nevermind, I misread the source I was looking at earlier. I thought the 20k figure was the worldwide count.
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    Your nit-picking is raising my troll antennae.
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    Your habit of constantly assuming that everyone who doesn't nod along with every word you say must be part of some type of plot against you is not conducive to a mindset that would favor truth over bias.
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    You have a point. I'll scale down my skepticism. It is the interwebz after all.
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    I decided to liquidate and wait for sanity to return

    Why decide to liquidate? Transfer, maybe, but why liquidate to cash? You've just decided that your portfolio represents that companies have taken a hit in market value, whereas those companies may have a maintained book value that could actually increase. Move to protect your portfolio value against loss, but liquidation is simply a bet that your cash will maintain value. 
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    Yep, sure.
    But.
    Media fuelled hype certainly, but government inspired.
    Isolation, communities and countries in lockdown, white suited and bemasked people in all the media images.

    So, just being a conspiracy theorist for a change and putting the question out there.
    Global destabilisation perhaps.
    High profile fake news diverting attention from the real issue.
    What might we be missing?

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    Why decide to liquidate? Transfer, maybe, but why liquidate to cash?

    Because the market is down overall, meaning that choosing investments without putting a significant amount of time into researching the available choices is virtually guaranteed to lose money. I have much better things I could be doing with my time such as working, planning the remodeling of my new house, banging my girlfriend, grocery shopping, etc.
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    All good reasons, I concur. Fortunately, I have the pleasure of retirement, and I have completed the finishing of my basement as expanded residence, so time is not a limitation. Good luck on all those activities, the generous companion included.
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    News people are talking about it. That's pretty much it from what I can tell.
    I have been saying this as well.  There's really not much else for the news to report on since most of the political stuff isn't as hot as it once was.

    as a side note this is all b.s.
    it takes 48-72 hours for a presumptive positive, then 7 days to confirm that positive.  imagine how many people will never be tests because their symptoms aren't that bad (same is true for flu etc)  they really think this can be contained?  lol um, no.

    I don't know what the sensitivity and specificity for the test is, but it's a pcr test so probably pretty good, but not 100% so there's there, but I'll bet it's expesnive!

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    News people are talking about it. That's pretty much it from what I can tell.
    I have been saying this as well.

    Yeah, seems to be the general consensus of pretty much everyone on the site.
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    Probably the fact that it's new, more infectious and more deadly than common seasonal respiratory viruses
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    Are you sure that your facts are correct?
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    Yes?

    It's definitely new

    It reportedly has a R0 of 2-3 whereas the common flu has a R0 of 1.3

    It reportedly has a mortality rate of anywhere between 0.2% to 14.8% depending on your age whereas the common flu is around 0.1%
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    Are you sure that your facts are correct?

    It is more infectious and lethal than the flu, that much seems pretty obvious. Is there some reason you think this not to be the case?
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    There's no panic over malaria because unless you're living near the equator, which is not most internet dwellers, you aren't even remotely at risk for it. It's an irrelevant factor for most 1st world societies. Coronavirus however has a very real chance of infecting and killing your great aunt Sally.