They were attacking police officers with bottles full of unknown liquids.
Please clarify who "they" are.
The officer were asked them to back up because of the curfew half an hour prior.
Because of the curfew half an hour prior?
It’s foolish to think those who wouldn't back up would magically go home after the curfew came.
- If there was a warning, it was barely audible. (I didn't clearly hear it in the video)
- Once it hits 7, then the police would have been more justified. But there were still 25 minutes before the curfew would go into effect.
So the cops should sit there and do nothing until the church gets vandalized and looted again? Good idea!
Not what I said. Please respond to my actual statements, not the strawman caricatures of them.
They were throwing bottles of unknown liquids at police officers and that’s what happened the night before. It wasn’t peaceful at that point. If they didn’t throw bottles and stuff at police officers I’d say there was no threat, but they did...
Please clarify who "they" are.
Saint John’s Catedral, Lafayette Park
Were the protesters there directly a threat to the cathedral and the park? Because if you're saying that there is the potential for there to be a threat, then any pedestrian with a pocket knife could also be forcefully expelled from the area, as they would also have the potential to be a "threat".
Lmao, your two “anonymous” officials lack any sort of credibility unless we know who they are. And plus you’re intentionally being misleading by saying he didn’t give the order. He didn’t give the tactical order. He said “get it done.” And the Park Officials/Guard gave the tactical order to do so.
If "get it done" isn't an order, then what is it?
Welcome to the bureaucracy of Washington D.C.
So hours-long delays are the norm? What were they trying to do that would result in such a long hold up?
I think you need to reread all of your sources that you have used. Both Fauxlaw and I have pointed out your contradictory sources.
It's contradictory only if you believe Bill Barr is a credible source. He said he gave the order in the morning, but then somehow there was a delay until he told the guard to "get it done". Also, where did Fauxlaw point out my contradictory sources? All he said was "I don't believe them."
Lafayette Park and Saint Johns Catedral fall under the authority of the US Park Service. So no, they weren’t on the streets. They were moved to the streets after they refused to do so.
The park was fenced off, and they weren't protesting on the property of the cathedral.
Not true. If your goal is to be peaceful, you hand the person over to the police. You do everything in your power to keep it peaceful. I didn’t see people bring the culprits forward.
How do you know there was no attempt to bring the culprit to justice? How do you know, for a fact, that they didn't try to apprehend the provocateur, and that they were just unsuccessful in doing so? You obviously can't bring forward the offender to police if you don't have them in your grasp.
This is irrelevant considering the actions of the previous night. I’ve said multiple times, if the actions of the previous night didn’t happen and people weren’t throwing water bottles, I would support your cause.
- How do you know that those protesters were the same ones that attended the riot the previous night? You haven't answered this question.
- Which "people" were throwing water bottles?
As soon as they started throwing water bottles like the night before, there was an immediate threat to both the police officers
Please clarify who "they" are.
and Lafayette Park/ St. John’s Catedral.
As soon as one bottle is thrown, they're a direct threat to the property. OK
Jeez Louise, it’s a preventative measure. After the actions of the previous night there was a threat to public safety.
If you're saying that there is the potential for there to be a threat, then any pedestrian with a pocket knife could also be forcefully expelled from the area, as they would also have the potential to be a "threat".
If they got a permit BLM would be held legally accountable if something did happened. But since they didn’t and there was a credible threat, police moved them out.
People have been holding near-daily demonstrations there for decades, if not centuries. Did all of them have a permit?
You’re literally parroting media talking points, but ok.
I never said that it was true just because a member of the media said it.
If it’s fits their narrative, why wouldn’t they lie? People like you are going to believe them like gospel. If they say Orangeman bad because of this this and this you’re going to believe them without question. I however choose to analyze sources. Question it’s move. They posted something false in the article, why wouldn’t there me more, because they’re clearly biased against Trump. Bias implies an agenda.
If you find more reliable alternative sources for each of the points that the media made, then I will go with your sources (for those points). Do you have any such sources, for example, to counter their tear gas claims (Bill Barr doesn't count)?
Lmao, they’re the terrorists? Are they the ones burning stuff down? Are they ones looting? Are they the ones burning? Are they the ones killing? Conservative protests were peaceful. Did police ever use tear gas, or rubber bullets, or anything of the like once? No, because the protests were peaceful. Just cause they have guns doesnt mean they aren’t peaceful. You have lost all credibility by saying these protests weren’t peaceful.
yUp deFiNiTElY pEAceFuL lol
Did MLK advocate for non-violence. Did MLK condemn the violence some African American groups were committing? Show me one time where a protest lead by MLK became violent.
Please respond to my actual statements, not the strawman caricatures of them.
Wym? They’re all right next to each other.
How do you know? Judging by the angle the bottle was thrown, the person who threw it was pretty far back. How do you know they were all standing next to each other back there?
If they wanted to they could’ve handed him over to the police. Oh wait, they didn’t.
How do you know they had him in their grasp?
Back up at the warnings of police officers?
Were there clearly audible warnings? I tried to make out the warnings in the video at the timestamps you provided, but I couldn't clearly make them out. Can't expect them to back up if they didn't hear the warnings.
Hand over bad actors to the police.
What if you don't have those bad actors?
Don’t stay in a protest that has violence?
If there is one group that intends to make all protests violent (and they could very easily do so with your definition of violent), then what's the point of even protesting at all?
Cause they were being violent by throwing water bottles. That’s how it started the night before.
Please clarify who "they" are.
Why not? It happened in D.C. the night prior as well. If we didn’t learn from history, we wouldn’t be here today.
In order for you to say this with certainty, you need to prove that there is a causal connection between the two. You can't just say, "That one went like that, so this one will too."
Police officers getting assaulted.
Who was assaulting them? The crowd, or just the saboteurs?
Plus it was a preventative measure to protect federal property based on the events of the night prior. Unless you defend that Ofc and say the police shouldn’t have done anything to ensure it was safe.
If you're saying that there is the potential for there to be a threat, then any pedestrian with a pocket knife could also be forcefully expelled from the area, as they would also have the potential to be a "threat".
