Shocking COVID-19 statistic.

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    While you are sitting on the edge of your seat tracking what CNN calls "the greatest health crisis America has ever faced"
    This little factoid comes from government census data.

    For every COVID-19 death recorded since January, TWENTY new babies were added to the American population.

    That's 2 with a zero folks.
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    I see. So if you die and someone is born, you're replaced to everyone you knew or would know.
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    Never knew you were a Hindu😂
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    haha! I see what you did there!
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    haha! I see what you did there!
    😂😂
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    They're multiplying! How many slugs, trees, and llamas must have died to allow for this rapid increase in humans???
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    People die....People are born....Same old shit for the time being Eugene.

    Covid 19...One assumes that it is real...Though one knows no one that has had it, nor knows no one who knows anyone that has had it....I've only seen media images of people on ventilators and bemasked people in other countries burying the thousands of victims.

    Do you actually have first hand experience?
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    Yes, i work in healthcare and have seen many people die from it. We have 2.5mil cases in usa. There are 330m people. Thats less than 1%, and they are not spread evenly. Obviously centers of international commerce and tourism got hit hard and first, but its clearly spreading fast.

    If you want to verify its existence, its very easy. Go volunteer at a hospital, im sure they will be happy to use your help.
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    when everybody is inside, of course there is a baby boom
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    For those that don't work in hospitals or mortuaries, it's 20 times more likely you will know someone who had a baby in the last 6 months than someone who died from covid-19
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    For those that don't work in hospitals or mortuaries, it's 20 times more likely you will know someone who had a baby in the last 6 months than someone who died from covid-19
    The baby thing... just crazy. I don't understand why humans would want to bring a life into this world. I almost find it cruel. 

    Died from Covid? You're right, i know no one in that respect. Which is a good thing... hopefully it stays that way. But, considering how many die and the population size, that's not something unusual. It would be rare to know someone that died. I think the only measure of how bad this is, is keeping track of hospital admissions and hospital capacity. More than half of my family are doctors so they tell me... as of now, it isn't near as bad. People are getting laid off bc they don't have enough people in hospitals. That could change if infections blow up... but, we can only wait and see what happens. My uncle told me it can get bad if what we are being told about the virus is slightly right in its infection rate and death rate. But who knows at this point. I'm in Cali and it seems like are cases are blowing up recently but everything is still within capacity. 

    Also, i do know people that have caught it. No one personally. But my brother in law had two people at his work that tested positive. And, i ate at a restaurant that shut down bc an employee tested positive... shame, bc it's boom Mexican food, but it's shut down till July bc of the infection. So, i don't know anyone personally in family or friends, but i've heard of cases from people/places they know. I've been sticking to not going out (as i'm a gamer and produce music... all of my past-time activities are home based), so i'm not really worrying about anything atm. I just want people to be safe bc i do have people in my family with pretty bad preexisting conditions. It's all come down to my responsibility to be safe so i don't pass anything to them... whether it's Covid or even the flu. 
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    For every COVID-19 death recorded since January, TWENTY new babies were added to the American population.
    how are these 2 numbers in any way related. You can make that same argument about anything. People die from cancer, but there are way more babies born so we should just stop treating cancer? 

    The comparison doesn't even make any sense. 
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    There's way more testing going on right now, so there are going to be more reported cases of covid19. Most young people can catch it just fine and shake it off like the normal flu, making their body immune to that strain.

    Since it's been called out in the news that you shouldn't go visit granny in the nursing home if you have COVID, there's no reason to think we will have a spike in deaths from the elderly with co-morbidities.
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    So... because more babies were born than people died of COVID-19, makes it not a concern?

    ...what?
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    THINK OF THE CHILDREN. the babies!
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    Ok... what do the babies have to do with COVID-19? 
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    Once again, the distribution of cases is different in the nation. Your likelyhood of knowing someone with covid is different in new york than it is in alabama... but fear not, that is changing fast.

    If you dont trust the testing numbers, look at increasing hospitalizations. There is no twisting those numbers.
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    While you are sitting on the edge of your seat tracking what CNN calls "the greatest health crisis America has ever faced"
    This little factoid comes from government census data.

    For every COVID-19 death recorded since January, TWENTY new babies were added to the American population.

    That's 2 with a zero folks.
    Although we are still collecting data, even superficial fact checking shows this factoid to be exaggerated and innacurate,  at least.

    • For example, the US Census Bureau has not published any COVID death data.
    • There were no US COVID deaths in January.  The first official COVID death in the US was on Feb 28 although there are some suspected deaths going back to early February.
    • By the middle of March, there were only 61 COVID deaths, so adding Jan, Feb, and Mar birth statistics to a comparison against a disease that didn't really start having an impact until Apr is falsely fluffing your stats and doubling your birth numbers.
    • The CDC is pretty forthright about the fact that their COVID stats represent a significant undercount at present.
      • "Percent of expected deaths is the number of deaths for all causes for this week in 2020 compared to the average number across the same week in 2017–2019. Previous analyses of 2015–2016 provisional data completeness have found that completeness is lower in the first few weeks following the date of death (<25%), and then increases over time such that data are generally at least 75% complete within 8 weeks of when the death occurred"
        • That is, our death certificate data for April is probably better than 75% complete.  May and June data is significantly incomplete.
        • So at best, the above "factoid" compares 6 months of presumed births based on 2018 numbers vs. 1 months of nearly complete death certificates and partial data from two more months.
    • Let's look at our partial April 2020 US COVID death certificates vs April 2018 birth certificates
      • 55,655 (75+% complete) COVID deaths vs 299,063 (99% complete) US live births
        • Let's note that the CDC is only counting COVID death codes  ICD–10 code U07.1 and only a small percentage of the  total 294,167 (75+%) complete were actually tested for COVID.  Still, it doesn't take a genius to see a better than 60,000 deaths jump over the months before COVID (232,789 in February, for example, which is typically a deadlier month than April).
    • So, we don't really  have the numbers yet but a more accurate factoid is more  5 babies for every COVID death in April.  May and June show significant improvement in death rates- I would estimate the past 3 month average at roughly 8 or 9 babies for every COVID death.
    "the greatest health crisis America has ever faced" seems pretty debatable.  Certainly the 54 million or so Native Americans who died of disease in the first few decades after Columbus represent a higher toll but when we say "America" do we mean the Americas or the USA?  Certainly, the 675,000 US deaths from the 1918 swine flu pandemic represents a higher number than our present 127,000+ dead but that's comparing 2 years of deaths to 2 months of deaths so far.  Total US deaths will depend heavily on what we do now but if no vaccine arrives in two years and we continue at present spread rates we'll probably overtake that 1918 number.  Also, the healthcare industry in 1918 didn't have much a response for swine flu in 1918.  So many people dying at home is certainly a crisis but is it a health crisis  when healthcare does little to help?  Reversely,  the 700,000 US deaths from AIDS since 1979 represents a slow motion healthcare crisis but it took most of a decade to convince conservatives that so many dead gays, addicts, and blacks represented a crisis of any kind. 

    If we think about healthcare usage and availability, the average newborn spend 2 or 3 days in the hospital before going home while the average COVID patient has been hospitalized for 21 days (this number is getting  much better fast) (but also, there are way, way more hospitalizations than deaths from COVID) we can see that healthcare as a resource is getting hit harder right now than at any other time in US history but modern healthcare dates back to what?  1940s?

    • I'd discourage reliance on CNN as a source of evidence.  MediaBias/FactCheck advises:
      • "Overall, we rate CNN left biased based on editorial positions that consistently favors the left, while straight news reporting falls left-center through bias by omission. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to several failed fact checks by TV hosts. However, news reporting on the website tends to be properly sourced with minimal failed fact checks"
      • Nevertheless, some specific google searches fail to provide an example of some CNN anchor stating "the greatest health crisis America has ever faced"
        • an actual link might offer more context

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    There's way more testing going on right now
    a lot more, then when you add to that they are testing anyone and everyone who wants it, where before only symptomatic people were being tested the numbers are greatly increased.

    SARS-CoV-2 Serology (COVID-19) Antibody (IgG), Immunoassay - Detection IgG antibodies may indicate exposure to SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19). It usually takes at least 10 days after symptom onset for IgG to reach detectable levels. An IgG positive result may suggest an immune response to a primary infection with SARS-CoV-2, but the relationship between IgG positivity and immunity to SARS-CoV-2 has not yet been firmly established.
    Antibody tests have not been shown to definitively diagnose or exclude SARS-CoV-2 infection. Positive results could also be due to past or present infection with non-SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus strains, such as coronavirus HKU1, NL63, OC43, or 229E. Diagnosis of COVID-19 is made by detection of SARS-CoV-2 RNA by molecular testing methods, consistent with a patient's clinical findings.
    antibody testing is probably added in as well
    then you look at the swab test...

    This test is to be performed only usingrespiratory specimens collected from individualswho are suspected of





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    So the hospitals being swamped by admissions and running low on icu beds is also because asymptomatic people are being tested?
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    I don't know, I never said anything about admissions, did you accidentally reply to me?  I haven't seen any news reports about hospitals being swamped, which states are those?  Not mine anyway.
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    Hyper panicporn media has been pretty quiet on death rates. That's usually a good sign.

    Guess we will find out after the election if the normal standardized acceptable number of annual deaths (2.7 million dead Americans) changes much by next January for the 2020 year.

    That's the standard normal acceptable death count where media does not report on it.

    4 million annual American births should not be affected or changed much.

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    So the hospitals being swamped by admissions and running low on icu beds is also because asymptomatic people are being tested?

    Haven't really looked into this. Do you have a source that a majority or a decent portion of hospitals are running out of icu beds because of COVID?
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