Gun Control is dead after riots

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    there is no way you can convince independents of gun confiscation after riots and looting
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    Pretty sure gun sales were off the charts after the riots started happening.
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    Black Lives Mater:the gun store employee of the month
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    Black Lives Mater:the gun store employee of the month

    Like a good neighbor, Mater is there!!
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    remember a few years ago, it was "the cops will protect you!"
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    remember a few years ago, it was "the cops will protect you!"
    so the solution to the police being unaccountable and abusing their power is to hand guns to anyone that wants one, including lunatics, untrained idiots and criminals. That is just a fantastic plan. 

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    Pretty sure gun sales were off the charts after the riots started happening.
    they are, ammo too.
    Sales were going up because of the unconstitutional, tyrannical, bs laws.....like one a month unless you have a ccw.  Then you add in the rioting, assaults, murders and looting....you'd be stupid to not buy one to protect yourself and family imo.   Then again you should have already had something to do that with.  Makes the "preppers" not so crazy lol
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    So the solution to mob violence is to be unarmed and let a group of fifty people beat the shit out of you and burn your house down?

    Gtfo
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    naw his solution would be to kneel in front of them, give them money and or wash their feet.
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    naw his solution would be to kneel in front of them, give them money and or wash their feet.

    Yeah, and if you're lucky, then they will only burn your house.

    Although, they don't generally ask if you are an "ally" before they start beating you. Dent his head in first, ask questions later and all that.


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    people with small children aren't immune either, such peaceful people deserving of equality and respect, notice all the leftist denouncing them?  sure seems a large group wants a race war, so let's get on with it.
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    They think they want a race war, but they don't realize they don't have a South Africa or Haiti-level majority to be abusing us.
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    so the solution to the police being unaccountable and abusing their power is to hand guns to anyone that wants one, including lunatics, untrained idiots and criminals. That is just a fantastic plan. 
    Nice strawman 
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    so the solution to the police being unaccountable and abusing their power is to hand guns to anyone that wants one, including lunatics, untrained idiots and criminals. That is just a fantastic plan. 
    Nice strawman 

    I'll grant that isn't precisely the argument being made, but it is pretty close. The idea is that since some people might riot and fight for their rights, we need to heavily arm people. And historically, the right hasn't really given a shit who they are arming. 
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    So the solution to mob violence is to be unarmed and let a group of fifty people beat the shit out of you and burn your house down?
    no, the solution to mob violence is actually solving the problems that lead to this kind of violence. Arming more people so you can better suppress these people is not a solution. It only intensifies it. 

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    Solving what problem? Stopping the killing of nine unarmed black people per year by cops?

    And innocent bystanders should not be at the mercy of a bunch of rampaging savages. If some random passerby in their car is attacked by a mob because it is angry about an unrelated problem, that civilian has every right to defend themselves with whatever force necessary and should be properly equipped to do so.

    And no, the only way to stopped a borderline-rebellion isn't appeasement. We don't live under mob rule and any attempt to push that on regular Americans should be met with intense and justified force.
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    Solving what problem? Stopping the killing of nine unarmed black people per year by cops?
    that is certainly part of it. But as I keep telling you, a cop doesn't have to straight up murder people in order to harass, assault or wrongfully arrest people of color. 

    And innocent bystanders should not be at the mercy of a bunch of rampaging savages.
    so black people protesting to try to get the police to stop attacking them are "rampaging savages"? Glad to see you aren't racist....

    f some random passerby in their car is attacked by a mob because it is angry about an unrelated problem, that civilian has every right to defend themselves with whatever force necessary and should be properly equipped to do so.
    you are correct that they have the right to defend themselves. But having lots of armed people running around only intensifies other problems. Everyone is much better off if there weren't guns available to literally anyone. 
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    that is certainly part of it. But as I keep telling you, a cop doesn't have to straight up murder people in order to harass, assault or wrongfully arrest people of color. 

    And a truly wrongful arrest results in a lawsuit.

    People of color harass and assault police all of the time. Maybe, just maybe, the way to make police like you is to not commit a vastly disproportionate amount of crime. Maybe stop resisting arrest and you won't get harmed or killed during an arrest?

    You can train police to be better about that, but that only goes so far. When one misstep can get killed, it is also on citizens to not create problems by not complying. Perhaps you could start by not vilifying cops to tiny children and tell them that if you act civilized and do what you're told, you'll be fine???

    so black people protesting to try to get the police to stop attacking them are "rampaging savages"? Glad to see you aren't racist....

    How else do you describe a group of 30 people swarming a random car on the highway, pulling them out of their car, and savagely beating them? How about looting and burning stores? Sounds like rampaging savages to me.

    And I don't see how that is racist. There are white people out there to. They are generally the minority of people, but when they engage in that behavior, I would use the same terms to describe them.

    you are correct that they have the right to defend themselves. But having lots of armed people running around only intensifies other problems. Everyone is much better off if there weren't guns available to literally anyone. 

    They aren't available to literally anyone. If you have some mental disorder like depression or are a felon, you can't get a gun.

    And no, they wouldn't be better off. If a group of fifty unarmed people attacks a group of three unarmed people, how is that group of three better off? If they have guns, they will be left alone. Notice how the "rooftop Koreans" in the LA riots were just fine.
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    This is how civil wars start. It already is not civil, is it? This is why I maintain that the best political platform ever presented anywhere in the world at any time is the Sermon on the Mount, because it concisely contains the the solution to every single social issue we face today. What else is politics' purpose?
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    Death squads would be more efficient, but go on. I'm intrigued.
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    And a truly wrongful arrest results in a lawsuit.
    why would it? all the cop has to do is say they resisted arrest. Now they can just say whoever they want is guilty. 

    People of color harass and assault police all of the time. 
    imagine that. Abused people dislike and strike back at their tormentors. 

    Maybe, just maybe, the way to make police like you is to not commit a vastly disproportionate amount of crime
    true, and that is exactly what they are fighting to accomplish by dismantling the systemic racism that suppresses them. 

    Maybe stop resisting arrest and you won't get harmed or killed during an arrest?
    the problem with that logic is that police will treat anything but abject subjugation as "resistance". If you dare to ask them why they are harassing you, then you are resisting in their eyes. 

    You can train police to be better about that, but that only goes so far. When one misstep can get killed, it is also on citizens to not create problems by not complying. Perhaps you could start by not vilifying cops to tiny children and tell them that if you act civilized and do what you're told, you'll be fine???
    but that would be a lie. Police will still mistreat people of color even if they do everything right. But even if it were true that they would be fine if they did everything right, that would still be massively unfair. A white guy flips off a cop and nothing happens. A black guy flips off a cop and he gets curb stomped or pepper sprayed. 

    How else do you describe a group of 30 people swarming a random car on the highway, pulling them out of their car, and savagely beating them? How about looting and burning stores? Sounds like rampaging savages to me.
    I have no idea what even you are describing or if it even happened. 

    And I don't see how that is racist. There are white people out there to. They are generally the minority of people, but when they engage in that behavior, I would use the same terms to describe them.
    you consider anyone who tries to fight for the rights of black people to be savages. sounds like racism to me. 

    They aren't available to literally anyone. If you have some mental disorder like depression or are a felon, you can't get a gun.
    of course not, unless there are countless loopholes, or a constant stream of readily available black market weapons. Alot of gun shops don't care who you are, they just want to sell their guns. 

    And no, they wouldn't be better off. If a group of fifty unarmed people attacks a group of three unarmed people, how is that group of three better off?
    ok, but that almost never happens. But people getting shot by some civilian with a gun happens almost every day. 
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    The worst gun problems are in democrat run cities that make it easy to own a gun only if you are a lawless lunatic, a criminal, or both.
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    The worst gun problems are in democrat run cities that make it easy to own a gun only if you are a lawless lunatic, a criminal, or both.
    gun control cannot be a local issue. If you banned guns in your city, people can drive to the next city over and buy them. Gun control must be national policy for it to have a chance to work. 

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    Bordering a third-world country also makes that impossible. Can’t stop drugs, what makes you think we could stop guns?

    Maybe.... strengthen the border? 👀 
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    Bordering a third-world country also makes that impossible. Can’t stop drugs, what makes you think we could stop guns?
    2 things.

    1) drugs are a morality and lifestyle issue. You can easily buy and use drugs in your own home and who is going to know. Guns are nothing like that. No one gets addicted to guns. No one is just using their gun inside their own home without the cops being called. And once you buy some guns, you probably don't need to keep buying guns. There are only so many guns you can use/hide. Drugs need to be constantly consumed and then you buy more, so the demand is endless. 

    2) because the drugs are grown outside the US and smuggled in. The vast majority of guns in the US are manufactured in the US. And then they are also smuggled out to other countries. Once you get gun laws in place to control the domestic civilian market, you can also clamp down on arms manufacturing to dry up the amount of guns on the market.