Gun Control is dead after riots

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    Lol, you talk as if you know the ingenuity of the criminal mind.

    The people most affected by laws in Democrat-run cities are the people with something to lose. That excludes criminals ready to fight a cop anticipating early release on the dime of a perverted woke Hollywood celebrity virtue signalling to their rabid fans.
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    Ramp up the technology.  I want to make guns in the comfort of my own home.   Something quieter would be nice,  like a mini magnet rail gun.   Coming to a download near you. 
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    Lol, you talk as if you know the ingenuity of the criminal mind.
    I understand the basics of commerce. Drugs are in constant demand because people need to frequently consume them. Thus there is a constant, high demand for them. Guns don't have that. Guns have little to no use. They can be fun to shoot. You can use them to hunt. But no one is getting high off guns. And once you own a gun, you don't need to go out and buy another one every couple of weeks because it is a product that lasts. 

    So there is no comparison between guns and drugs. 

    The people most affected by laws in Democrat-run cities are the people with something to lose. That excludes criminals ready to fight a cop anticipating early release on the dime of a perverted woke Hollywood celebrity virtue signalling to their rabid fans.
    the people in major cities are already paying the price for america's incredibly lax gun policy. Stricter gun laws would help to solve these problems. 
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    Ramp up the technology.  I want to make guns in the comfort of my own home.   Something quieter would be nice,  like a mini magnet rail gun.   Coming to a download near you. 
    ok, but what are you going to do with it? Assuming we were able to pass sufficient guns laws, if you ever take it to a range, you go to prison. If you ever use it in self defense, you go to prison. If anyone finds out you have it (by say using it on your own property), you go to prison. 

    It makes it pretty pointless to do that. 
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    Guns have little to no use.

    When you live in a Democrat-run city with few guns. One gun is the difference between a rich criminal and a poor one.
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    When you live in a Democrat-run city with few guns. One gun is the difference between a rich criminal and a poor one.
    you don't even seem to be trying to make a point any more. I explained why gun control would work. you responded with absolutely nothing. 

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    There no way to take guns away from criminals, all your points on gun control are invalid.

    Even if we tried anything you propose, ACLU would just step in as usual and call it racial profiling or some bullshit.

    Unless part of your gun ban proposal involves abolishing the ACLU, good luck.
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    There no way to take guns away from criminals, all your points on gun control are invalid.
    of course there is. It won't be easy or fast given how bad the proliferation of guns has been. But the fact that doing something will be hard does not mean it isn't worth doing. If you control the flow of guns and keep new ones from going out. Then you step up measures to seize the guns that are out there with big prison time for being in posession of gun. You will slowly get the glut of firearms out of the market. 

    Even if we tried anything you propose, ACLU would just step in as usual and call it racial profiling or some bullshit.
    how does controlling the sale of guns have anything to do with racial profiling?

    Unless part of your gun ban proposal involves abolishing the ACLU, good luck.
    this doesn't even make sense. 
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    I know why Democrats are so afraid of guns! They know they’d get crushed if a Civil War came, so they’re trying to take our guns before it comes to that. As a Texan, I tell any gun grabber: Come And Take It. 

    The day guns get banned is the day there will be a Civil War in the nation, and these snowflakes won’t stand a chance.
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    Why people are afraid of guns , is because when you have a gun pointed at you, the holder's mental state alters and their reasoning diminishes....And of course ultimately if the trigger is pulled it's probably not going to be good news.

    The gun is an inanimate object and not to be feared unless it is in the hands of a predictable human being, such as yourself or even a democrat.... There is no special difference between you and a democrat, other than a dumb ideas that you have in your heads.
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    sell it on the blackmarket of course, I'd rather keep it in my house and take my chances, if someone breaks in it's better to face a gun charge than a death penalty via criminal don't you think?  
    look at the criminals getting gun charges now, as a would be first time offender I'm not concerned in the slightest based on what repeat offenders are charged and punished with.
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    so the solution to the police being unaccountable and abusing their power is to hand guns to anyone that wants one, including lunatics, untrained idiots and criminals. That is just a fantastic plan. 

    never said give guns to criminals or lunatics
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    never said give guns to criminals or lunatics
    that's his m.o. claims you say things that you never did, typical leftist, can't comprehend that criminals get guns which is obvious on the news every night.  He's familiar with the multitude of links and posts I've made about homemade guns, blackmarket guns etc.  But that is contra to his arguments so selectively ignored/forgotten.  While the concept of unintended consequences seems pretty basic it sure seems a concept some just can't fathom, though I can't understand why.  Probably need a psychiatry degree to figure that out. 

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    Watch them make white people give up their guns first to promote “equality”
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    hmm I want equality then, when it comes to dropping charges and light sentencing, especially for felons and repeat offenders.  I wanna be a dindu!!!
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    sell it on the blackmarket of course, I'd rather keep it in my house and take my chances, if someone breaks in it's better to face a gun charge than a death penalty via criminal don't you think?  
    no, why would it be? If your choices are give a guy your stuff or go to prison for 20 years, that's a pretty simple choice. 

    look at the criminals getting gun charges now, as a would be first time offender I'm not concerned in the slightest based on what repeat offenders are charged and punished with.
    yeah, you would definitely need stiff penalties for owners of illegal guns in order to make it not worth it for people to buy them anyway and hide them. Because if they feel like you do, that it is better to commit a crime than deal with an unlikely hypothetical scenario, then they will commit that crime. If you can convince them that they are worse off breaking the law (by illegally hiding firearms) then you remove the incentive for people to do so. 
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    never said give guns to criminals or lunatics
    no, but you want them readily available to everyone else. And with that many guns saturating the market then there is absolutely no problem for criminals and lunatics to get them. There are loopholes that let them do it legally. There are less than scrupulous gun shops that don't care who they sell to. There are random people who just re-sell their guns. There are criminals who just steal guns (since they are everywhere). 

    You will never be able to get guns out of the hands of criminals if there are hundreds of millions of them available. 

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    Not only that, but New York also attempted a ban on criminal guns with stop and frisk, and it was struck down by the ACLU.

    There's not a single damn gun ban plan targetting criminals HB can propose that ACLU won't similarly strike down with the force of the radical left mob. Why do you think there are comparatively so so many more armed criminals in Democrat-run cities?
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    Not only that, but New York also attempted a ban on criminal guns with stop and frisk, and it was struck down by the ACLU.
    because they were stopping people for no reason and subjecting them to searches without any cause. Additionally, they were targeting minorities with this policy. You don't need to use racist abusive tactics to do gun control. 

    There's not a single damn gun ban plan targetting criminals HB can propose that ACLU won't similarly strike down with the force of the radical left mob. 
    Why would they? The reason they fought stop and frisk is because it was really illegal. The police do not have the authority to forcefully search whoever they want without probable cause. 

    Why do you think there are comparatively so so many more armed criminals in Democrat-run cities?
    Cities tend to be democrat run because populations in cities tend to have higher education and/or benefit from lots of government programs. So republican policies of slashing public services to funnel money to the rich directly hurt them. 

    Since population in cities is so much higher, there is also more money to be made. This attracts criminals. And the more money and the more criminals there are, makes it more likely those criminals will get weapons to protect their criminal enterprises. It is all very straight forward. It has nothing to do with democrat policies. 

    But again, you are looking at gun control as if who is in charge of a specific city is an important detail. It is not. It doesn't matter what gun control laws a city passes because guns will pour in from the next city or state over. There is no way for a single city or state to make much of a difference. Real change has to be national. 
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    Since population in cities is so much higher, there is also more money to be made....
    So republican policies of...


    Let me stop you right there. One word. Detroit. Systemically run into the ground for three generations by Democrats and ONLY Democrats.
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    criminals will always exist and their mindset just doesnt go away when guns arent there

    knives are used a lot yet there will always be knives

    they are no legal loopholes as the majority of criminals get their guns through non registered sales, there is no gun show loophole or anything like that

    banning alcholol didnt stop the production of it, did it

    the problem is 100% culture.white US crime is less than most European countries or about the same, black and hispanic crime rates are the ONLY reason why there is a gun problem and when you have a culture that is complete garbage in these communities, thats what happens
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    Since population in cities is so much higher, there is also more money to be made...

    Democrats have NEVER "taxed the rich" otherwise, every celebrity in Hollywood and every woke Athlete would be living in a community approved housing unit. 50 years of empty promises to poor people is the Democrat party. 50 years of excuses for managing urban centers with massive homeless populations. "Systemic racism" being the most fashionable scapegoat recently for 50 years of failure.
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    black and hispanic crime rates are the ONLY reason why there is a gun problem and when you have a culture that is complete garbage in these communities, that's what happens.

    This isn't just an American thing. Anywhere you look outside of the USA (except maybe Poland) where 3rd world immigrants are allowed and encouraged to segregate into cultural ghettos, cultural violence follows. Even in Sweden and Norway. Cultural tribes policed by lawless gangs.


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    If your choices are give a guy your stuff or go to prison for 20 years, that's a pretty simple choice. 
    sure, how can you tell they just want your stuff and not kill,rape, beat etc?  I'd really love to know how to do that.
    you would definitely need stiff penalties for owners of illegal guns in order to make it not worth it for people to buy them anyway and hide them.
    certainly agree with that, which could be/have been done anytime in the last 50+ years?  but hasn't?
     Because if they feel like you do, that it is better to commit a crime than deal with an unlikely hypothetical scenario, then they will commit that crime.
    do you favor punishing people, putting them in jail for victimless crimes?

    the problem is 100% culture.


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    yup..