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@RationalMadman
No to cards.
If Mafia has a killing role for a high pair, they can take out someone with a vital role
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@Vader
Okay, I agree Pie is scummy after fighting against a completely town-beneficial arrangement but his suspicion of you isn't really the scummiest thing he's done. I also suspect you because Croc and Bearman are now both very towny for different reasons and therefore, in my eyes, it is you or Pie.
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@Vader
If Mafia has a killing role for a high pair, they can take out someone with a vital role
We 100% arrange it so that the one claiming highest hand is tracked.
I talso helps that we will know who got lucky on the last 2 cards before we act at night. Even if they lie about it, the lie will force it to become a 1v1 the next day between the one who lied and the one we assume did the nightkill (who will be tracked and cleared most likely unless they unluckily visited the one who died)
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@Bullish
Public mechanic check: Watching counts as a visit, yes?
In some versions of mafia it does not.
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@RationalMadman
actually that's an idea that might work
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@Vader
exactly, there is so much we can arrange to force it to become 1v1 scenarios by the next day if we all out cards.
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@RationalMadman
I like this idea then if luck comes onto our side.
The one issue is we have no idea what roles mafia can choose. They could have a ninja, which would make the strategy a losing strategy
The one issue is we have no idea what roles mafia can choose. They could have a ninja, which would make the strategy a losing strategy
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@Vader
Rather than going for the worst case scenario, appreciate that most town-roles are visiting anyway so a ninja power will backfire on them since they'll be seen visiting no one at all and unless they got the hand worthy of BP or double-vote, we will surely question that.
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@Vader
btw the reason I think it's you vs pie is obviously that croc has the inno on press. Otherwise press would be in my line of suspicion. Press has also towntold today by supporting me with this card-outing situation. You are basically the swing vote since crocodile is irrationally against it as is Pie.
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@RationalMadman
Well I'm not "going" for it. I'm just weighing the analysis together.
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@RationalMadman
If Mafia has a killing role for a high pair, they can take out someone with a vital role
my point exactly.
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@RationalMadman
@Vader
@ILikePie5
@PressF4Respect
who are your scumreads?
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@RationalMadman
Watching counts as a visit, yes?
yes
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@Crocodile
Pie and Supadudz, Pie more so.
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@Crocodile
You quoted me quoting Supadudz. That is a silly point to make. My method will guarantee that we catch them doing it or vindicate others of having done it by them visiting someone else or whatever.
If we don't out our hands, someone towny will simply die tonight if mafia has the NK. We will gain next to no info from it as it's extremely likely that two people will waste their tracking ability on the same scummy target and if they don't happen to catch them or wrongly catch them visitng the one who happened to die to watch them, then we are back at square one. Additionally, since we arranged no sequence of role interactions, no one can confirm someone else doing something so in a 2-scum scenario we are entirely susceptible to scum confirming each other at our demise.
Oromagi implied there are 3 mafia, not four. This only increases the chance that there very well could be four and he was making us let our guard down.
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@RationalMadman
Oromagi implied there are 3 mafia, not four. This only increases the chance that there very well could be four and he was making us let our guard down.
4 mafia?
How would that work?
Official Vote Count
pie (1/4) - Supa,
Not voting: pie, bear, press, RM, croc
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@Crocodile
It would work by there being 4 mafia...
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@Crocodile
In actual fact a Yakuza role could explain Oromagi dying without you being town. He dies to convert someone else. Just saying, it's possible. If this is the case, however, then yes there were originally only 3 otherwise it would be unfair on town.
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@Vader
My vote is VTL Pie
Ok?
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@ILikePie5
At this point, I think you are scum but I am speaking to you in the hopes that even if you are scum you will change your mind (or that if you are not and simply are being stubborn that you consider my points).
I would like to present this differently to you than you are currently perceiving it.
You are currently weighing absolute certainty against risk but I want you to weigh cost vs benefit. Explain to me how the benefits of card-hiding outweigh the cost of town being in complete darkness to each other as well as having 2/3 less information about others' cards.
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@ILikePie5
as well as having 2/3 less information about others' cards.
this applies also to how wise vs unwise folding or betting is.
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@Vader
I like this idea then if luck comes onto our side.The one issue is we have no idea what roles mafia can choose. They could have a ninja, which would make the strategy a losing strategy
We don’t know who will have the highest hand cause. As you mentioned we don’t know how Mafia could cheat to make the people involved scummy. Plus to use this we have to assume there will be a tracker tonight based on our cards which itself is great info for scum more than us.
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@Bullish
we can change whether we folded or bet during the day even if you confirmed the original decision, yes?
At this point, I think you are scum but I am speaking to you in the hopes that even if you are scum you will change your mind (or that if you are not and simply are being stubborn that you consider my points).
Likewise. I know I’m going to die today cause I’m the last thorn in your side until complete manipulation of town. Who else here is going to fight you?
I would like to present this differently to you than you are currently perceiving it.You are currently weighing absolute certainty against risk but I want you to weigh cost vs benefit. Explain to me how the benefits of card-hiding outweigh the cost of town being in complete darkness to each other as well as having 2/3 less information about others' cards.
There is no absolute certainty with revealing our cards. Randomness has been our friend the past two DPs. No oneone knew cards and we got rid of two scum. Knowing cards only helps scum because they can manipulate the game. That’s literally their mechanic this game. They cheat.
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@ILikePie5
Likewise. I know I’m going to die today cause I’m the last thorn in your side until complete manipulation of town. Who else here is going to fight you?
You went from townreading me to scumreading me simply over me standing my ground on something that would be so easy for me to give up on presenting or antagonising you with if I were scum. You were completely on my side all game long, why would I need to irritate you or argue with you if I were scum? I'd never do that but you don't know that as you think I am simply gambit-hungry and dumb.
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@ILikePie5
There is no absolute certainty with revealing our cards. Randomness has been our friend the past two DPs. No oneone knew cards and we got rid of two scum. Knowing cards only helps scum because they can manipulate the game. That’s literally their mechanic this game. They cheat.
The first 2 sentences completely ignore what I asked you to do. The following is a lie:
Knowing cards only helps scum because they can manipulate the game.
It helps town manipulate the game too, severely so. It would mean we had a very skilled plan tonight where tomorrow is almost certainly going to narrow down scum becaue we will have clears vs counterclaims in almost no time whatsoever. Instead, you want to allow scum to easily be wrongly cleared if they lack the NK tonight as they'll be tracked visiting or whatever (I assume almost all scum roles involve visiting but I can definitely be wrong there) and since who they visit doesn't die and since they never had to reveal their cards the day before, they retrospectively come up with a hand to claim that lets them be townread and fits their visit perfectly.