Can you tell the difference between these definitions?

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All definitions courtesy Merriam-webster...

Leprechaun 

"a mischievous elf of Irish folklore usuallybelieved to reveal the hiding place of treasure if caught"


Gnome

"an ageless and often deformed dwarf of folklore who lives in the earth and usuallyguards treasure"


Werewolf

"a person transformed into a wolf or capable of assuming a wolf's form"


God

"The supreme or ultimate reality"


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Notice how one of these words is defined as THE ESSENCE OF REALITY ITSELF.



If you say God, that is, The Ultimate Reality, doesn't exist.. you are holding a really stupid position.




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It looks like gnomes and leprechauns exist, they are in the dictionary.
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They certainly exist in folklore.
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But does that mean they exist in reality?
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You have to evaluate the substance or nature of the defined terms in determining whether it is a legit proposition or claim. So it is not the words themselves but the meanings and whether or not they MAY reflect reality or even if they can at all. While I do not support Mopac's "Ultimate Reality" stuff (because it is a weak argument) I do think some things/terms are to be considered more of a reality than other things/terms. I mean you do see the difference in considering the concept of God then say.....belief in a gnome right?
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The point I am making is it is silly to say something exists because it is in the dictionary. 
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I mean you do see the difference in considering the concept of God then say.....belief in a gnome right?
The God concept is more common, but there is still little proof of either.


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Weak argument? It's not even an argument. It's a demonstration that atheists can't honestly discuss this subject. It demonstrates that they are simply being arbitrary, and there isn't a shred of legitimate reasonableness to their position. 

It is a light that exposes their foolishness.

There aren't any good arguments to the atheist because they have adopted a position that literally means, There is no truth!

By arguing with them, you condescend to their level of foolishness.

But aye, sometimes one must become a fool for Christ's sake.




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Mopac: A misguided [insert intelligence-degrading word here] who thinks he has proven God to be real by replacing 'God' as the worth 'true reality'.

God: A female named Fiora who controls which numbers get through the binary RNG-encoding of the many realities, one being this plane (yes I am a flat-earther).

Truth: That which is in line with reality, be it for God or against God.
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No one is saying that except you, and no one is disputing that your straw man argument is stupid.


But you are ignoring the definition regardless because you don't respect the dictionary as an authority when it comes to the defining of terms.

When I say God, I mean the ultimate reality, and the dictionary backs me up.


What is your argument along with every other theophobe? God can't exist no matter what.

Denying God is superstitious. You'd be better off confessing The Truth.




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No one is saying that except you, and no one is disputing that your straw man argument is stupid.
You are saying it. Not me.


But you are ignoring the definition regardless because you don't respect the dictionary as an authority when it comes to the defining of terms.
The dictionary is created by man. it isn't always correct.

When I say God, I mean the ultimate reality, and the dictionary backs me up.
So? Doesn't mean you, or the dictionary, are correct.


What is your argument along with every other theophobe? God can't exist no matter what.
I am not a theophobe, and God certainly exists. 

Denying God is superstitious. You'd be better off confessing The Truth.
Denying God is normal behavior, when one doesn't see any proof for such a being.


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Rationalmadman has me blocked. When joined the site the first thing I did was issue a debate challenge. Rationalmadman refused, because he knows my argument is flawless, and he'd rather debate jobbers and be smug in his pagan delusions.



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Of course God exists.


We have nothing to debate.

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That's fine. 

Although I am here to discuss, not debate atheists.
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Well, know that I am not saying God exists because God is in the dictionary. That is not my argument.

Pardon me for any misunderstanding.

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it seemed you were trying to make that argument. If you were not, then I apologize. 

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When I say God, I mean the ultimate reality, and the dictionary backs me up.
By far and away, the weakest argument made yet.

You should win an award for that.

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Your argument is simply to be contrary. A child who hardly knows how to speak is capable of doing this.
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When I say God, I mean the ultimate reality, and the dictionary backs me up.

I suppose it depends on what dictionary suites your belief best.

God

NOUN
  • 1(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

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  • 2(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.
    ‘a moon god’

    ‘the Hindu god Vishnu’
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    1. 2.1 An image, animal, or other object worshipped as divine or symbolizing a god.
      ‘wooden gods from the Congo’

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    2. 2.2 Used as a conventional personification of fate.
      ‘he dialled the number and, the gods relenting, got through at once’

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  • 3A greatly admired or influential person.
    ‘he has little time for the fashion victims for whom he is a god’

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    1. 3.1 A thing accorded the supreme importance appropriate to a god.
      ‘don't make money your god’

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  • 4the godsinformal The gallery in a theatre.
    ‘they sat in the gods’

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Shen is the Chinese word for "god", "deity", "spirit" or theos. This single Chinese term expresses a range of similar, yet differing, meanings. The first meaning may refer to spirits or gods that are intimately involved in the affairs of the world. Spirits generate entities like rivers, mountains, thunder and stars. A second meaning of shen refers to the human spirit or psyche; it is the basic power or agency within humans that accounts for life, and in order to further life to its fullest potential the spirit must be grown and cultivated. A third understanding of shen describes an entity as spiritual in the sense of inspiring awe or wonder because it combines categories usually kept separate, or it cannot be comprehended through normal concepts.

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"Well, know that I am not saying God exists because God is in the dictionary. That is not my argument."

That has been your entire argument since you got here, try to have a modicum of honesty and respect and decency.
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Merriam Webster defines "ultimate reality" as:

"something that is the supreme, final, and fundamental power in all reality"

Why is it stupid to not believe in such a thing?
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Shen = god

Tao = God

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I'm very specifically talking about The Supreme Being.

I'm not talking about gods.

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Because without the fundamental power to all reality, there is no reality.

What is powerless reality? Non existent. 

Think about the myriad of objects that rely on electricity and become nothing more than useless bricks without it.

Really though, this is even more fundamental, because there aren't even any useless bricks without God. There is nothing.