which causes more problems for black folks? white racism or black culture itself?

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    I did not become pregnant as a teen.

    Then maybe you should stop talking about those people as if you went through what they did. Cause clearly "gasseous invisible racism" didn't cause you to choose to become a teen mother like they chose.

    You are describing poverty not cultural or racial characteristics.

    Nah fam. Being a teen mom is a choice. You don't become a teen mom because you don't have any money. You do it because the culture you were raised in expects you to become a WAP teen mom.
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    Nah fam. Being a teen mom is a choice. You don't become a teen mom because you don't have any money. You do it because the culture you were raised in expects you to become a WAP teen mom.
    Are you always this offensive?  I was lucky.  If I had gotten pregnant, it would have been a mistake, not a choice.  My mistake, yes.  I would have owned it  --  not CHOSEN it.   No culture raises you to be a pregnant teen and certainly not a WAP teen mother.   AND I THINK YOU KNOW THIS ALREADY!  Stop generalizing ALL behavior based on really rich hip hop stars!  I am beginning to think you must be really sexually repressed.  You mention WAP and Cardi B alot!
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     If I had gotten pregnant, it would have been a mistake, not a choice. 
    you chose to have unprotected sex presumably, thus it was your choice even if it was unintended and indirect.  actions have consequences, choose them wisely.  If you don't act a certain way, dress a certain way, vote a certain way, "you ain't black" no matter what the consequences.  No drug dealer ever chooses to get shot, caught etc but that is a risk with the occupation right?  Sex is a risk of pregnancy.
    Seems you are trying to somehow shift responsibility, consequences away from consenting actions.

    this is a common thing leftist do with the 'black community'   they can't help break the law because they are black and poor,  they are talented and just as bright as white kids, right?
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    "Black" is neither a race nor a culture. It's a corporate designation intended to catalog drudges of the State. "Hip-hop" culture is a mere psyop intended to cultivate both dysfunctional and victimized mentalities among so-called "Blacks," all while generating billions of dollars in commerce. So what causes more problems for so-called "black folk"? Susceptibility to paternalizing the government while infantilizing themselves. And this is due in some effect to this so-called "black community's" being a virtual matriarchy. 

    The article was correct at least about one thing: the attitude toward women. That's the reason I never call my bitches, "hoes."
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    this is a common thing leftist do with the 'black community'   they can't help break the law because they are black and poor,  they are talented and just as bright as white kids, right?
    It is a common thing because it at least hints at the truth.  This is about opportunity.  The more opportunities you have, the better you behave.

    Think of the kids whose parents paid to get them into great colleges despite their grades and SATS.  THAT is an opportunity.  The poorer students with great scores were turned away.  Think about all the opportunities online, the jobs, the connections.  Poorer students cannot afford a laptop and historically, probably not even a smartphone.  In poorer neighborhoods, parents work two jobs and are often unavailable at night to supervise their children.  Uneducated parents are more likely to create traumatizing environments for those children.  Add to that the fact that kids tend to mimic the behavior of the older kids and adults in their community and you have a recipe for disaster.  Multi-generational problems are real too.   Parents who weren't allowed to even drink from the same fountain as a white kid, will pass their pain down to their own kids.

    Just count the number of black senators in relation to white male senators if you don't believe in systemic racism.

    you chose to have unprotected sex presumably, thus it was your choice even if it was unintended and indirect.  actions have consequences,
    Actions do have consequences.  But I was speaking of mistakes (which also have consequences).  I did not "choose" to get pregnant or even to have unprotected sex.  I "chose" to get drunk.  That was my mistake.  I was lucky.  I didn't get pregnant.  But if I had, I would have owned up to my mistake.   I would not, and will not, condemn people for making mistakes.  Maybe you don't make them.  But some ENVIRONMENTS are more CONDUCIVE to causing its children and teenagers to make mistakes than others.   How can you not see that?
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    It is a common thing because it at least hints at the truth.  This is about opportunity.  The more opportunities you have, the better you behave.

    Then why aren't you helping Trump make more policies to build the black family back up with prison and welfare reforms and economic opportunity zones?

    Oh and police reform. (of course)

    And after 2020 Trump has promised to end the systemic segregation of black kids by enforcing school choice for black parents.


    Don't black kids deserve more opportunities instead of 40 more years of failed Biden policies that encourage single parent families, high school dropout, and generational poverty?

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    Then why aren't you helping Trump make more policies to build the black family back up with prison and welfare reforms and economic opportunity zones?
    I AM!!!!  By voting for someone who will actually help!  Just ask 90% of the black vote.  Biden cares about the black community.  He cares about poor white people as well,  He will not destroy Medicare like Trump plans to do.  He will build on Affordable Care.  He will not raise their taxes, only people who make over 400K a year.  Read his plan.

    As for helping the black community:

    Biden unveils plan to boost finances of blacks, Latios

    Highlights From Joe  Biden's Agenda For The Black Community
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    These are the exact same policies that have failed for 40 years. Why do you support 40 years of failed policies?
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    Let's go over line by line of the rehashing of the failed policies of 40 years ago so I can slowly explain to you exactly why they have failed for the past 40 years.

    Create Wealth in the Black Community. Through his policies from education to housing, Joe will ensure that Black families can build and sustain wealth for themselves and their communities. Because homeownership is key to building wealth, he will ensure first time homebuyers are able to get $15,000 in federal down payment assistance. He will invest over $70 billion in HBCUs and other MSIs, and on top of that provide loan forgiveness that works for public servants. And, Joe will double funding for the State Small Business Credit Initiative to $3 billion to assist small businesses, especially those owned by people of color.
    First off, handing out money for securing a mortgage housing with monthly payments that people cannot afford is what caused the Bush housing bubble crisis, so that's an insane policy to keep pushing. If you want better housing for poor people, give them better job opportunities, and relax draconian building regulations.

    Investing in HBCU is a good thing, but Biden didn't do that under the Obama administration. Trump has already done that so if you support HBCU funding, then you support Trump.

    Loan forgiveness for public servants is a stupid idea. It's rewarding people to become dependant on government jobs and destroying incentives for job creation in the private sector,  which by definition, limits opportunities. This is the opposite of what needs to happen in poor communities.
    Not to mention loan forgiveness and easy credit is also the exact same policy that caused the housing bubble crash. If you can't make the payments, getting a loan easier doesn't actually solve poverty. We don't need a double down of policies from 20 years ago with Barney Frank schemes.

    Invest in our Communities through HousingJoe has fought for housing equity throughout his career and believes housing should be a right. He will build new and repair existing affordable housing and draw housing and community development capital to low-income communities. He will end redlining and other discriminatory and unfair practices in the housing market. And, he will protect tenants from eviction. Joe will expand funding for shelters and other homelessness programs.

    Yeah...housing should be a right... why not food? What about water? Energy? Healthcare? Shit, everything we consume should be a "right" Let's just take what we want.
    Power to the people. I shouldn't have to explain why this is a terrible idea. It goes completely against the idea that the government should be protecting private property, not reallocating private property. It's been tried in every failed socialist country since Lenin's first failures 100 years ago.

    Protect and Build on ObamacareJoe believes that every American should have access to affordable and quality health care. 3 million uninsured, non-elderly Black Americans gained coverage under Obamacare by the time President Obama and Vice President Biden left office. He will give Americans a new choice to purchase a public health insurance option like Medicare. He will automatically enroll individuals in the public option, without a premium, who would be eligible for Medicaid but for their state’s unwillingness to take up the Obamacare Medicaid expansion. He will stand up to abuse of power by prescription drug corporations. And, he will reduce our nation’s unacceptably high maternal mortality rate, which disproportionately affects black women. He will double America’s investment in community health centers and ensure enforcement of mental health parity laws and expand funding for mental health services. And, he will make an unprecedented investment in research to find cures for diseases like cancer, Alzheimer’s, and diabetes.

    Reducing drug prices is a good thing, but sadly again, Trump has already done that. So if you support low priced drugs, you support Trump.
    We already tried replacing private coverage with Obamacare, and it became wildly unpopular when the public discovered Obama lied about keeping your health insurance.
    Biden's plan on healthcare is completely uncreative. There were at least 5 different new healthcare plans that promised to be better than Obamacare that were showcased throughout the Democratic Primaries from Warren, Harris, Yang, and others. Biden chose none of that and wants us to turn the clock back to a failed policy. Hardly progressive.

    Invest in our Students and EducatorsJoe will triple Title I funding, which goes to schools with a high percentage of low-income students. These funds must first be used to ensure teachers are paid competitively, three- and four-year olds have access to pre-school, and districts offer rigorous coursework at all their schools. Joe will double the number of mental health professionals in schools, build the best, most innovative schools in the country in Black communities, other communities of color, and low-income communities, and expand the community school model. He will fund improvements to our public school buildings so they are free from environmental contaminants and equipped with the newest technology. And, he will invest in innovative approaches to recruiting teachers of color and reinstate the Obama-Biden actions to diversify schools.
    Throwing money at failing schools hasn't worked for 40 years. Biden is also on record as being against school choice, so there's nothing new about his proposals. More of the same failed policies of the last 40 years. Throw money at failing schools, then blame systemic racism for the inevitable failures. Moving on...

    Support Education Beyond High School. Joe will provide two years of community college or other high-quality training program without debt for any hard-working individual. He will help tackle barriers, such as child care and transportation costs, that prevent students from completing their community college degree or training credential. He will also make a $50 billion investment in workforce training. And, he will create a “Title I for postsecondary education” to help students at under-resourced four-year schools complete their degrees. Joe will rectify the funding disparities faced by HBCUs and other minority-serving institutions by investing over $70 billion in them to lower students’ costs, establish research centers, strengthen graduate programs, build high-tech labs, and more. 

    I'd be interested to hear the final price tag for this generous welfare program. Also, you only have to say you are a hard-working individual to get these 2 free years of trade school at taxpayer expense? I'd like to see that application form. Check yes or no..are you hard working?

    Invest in a Clean Energy Revolution and Environmental JusticeWe cannot turn a blind eye to the way in which environmental burdens and benefits have been and will continue to be distributed unevenly along racial and socioeconomic lines. Joe will invest $1.7 trillion over the next ten years in a clean energy revolution, creating 10 million good-paying jobs. He will stand up to the abuse of power by polluters who disproportionately harm Black communities and hold those polluters accountable. As president, Joe will reinstate federal protections, rolled back by the Trump Administration, that were designed to protect these communities. 

    Back to the same old failed policies. Obama gambled with billions of taxpayer money on failed solar companies that eventually went bankrupt, mostly due to China and Obama being very stupid about how the business market works. Both Biden and Obama are law degree holders. You don't want them anywhere near a business prospectus where the taxpayer takes all the losses. Also "environmental justice" is one of those cool-sounding terms until you think about it past one minute. Then it's a real head-scratcher. Right up there with "economic justice"

    Make a Transformational Investment in our Country’s Infrastructure. Joe will invest $1 trillion over ten years to rebuild our roads, bridges, railway, freight, and ports. Joe will boost federal investments in low-income neighborhoods, which bear the brunt of our nation’s decaying infrastructure, to ensure that every American has access to clean drinking water, transportation that connects them to jobs, high-speed broadband, safe schools, and affordable housing. To tackle poverty, he will support applying Congressman James Clyburn’s 10-20-30 formula to all federal programs, which would allocate 10% of funding to counties “where 20% or more of the population has been living below the poverty line for the last 30 years.” 

    Obama already tried the "shovel ready" programs where the government attempted to create jobs. Obviously that same old program isn't going to work. All DC can do is send federal funds to local areas, but all those local areas have been habitually wasting federal funds for the past 40 years on infrastructure. Biden might promise that this year it will be different, but color me skeptical. I think DeBlasio's wife managed to "lose" almost a billion dollars in infrastructure money earmarked for New York recently? Par for the course.

    Strengthen the Right to Vote. Joe will strengthen our democracy by guaranteeing that every American’s vote is protected. He will start by restoring the Voting Rights Act and then ensuring the Justice Department challenges state laws suppressing the right to vote. He will support automatic voter registration, same-day voter registration, and other steps to make exercising one’s right to vote easier. He will support an end to gerrymandering and will protect our voting booths and voter rolls from foreign powers that seek to undermine our democracy and interfere in our elections.

    Gerrymandering is 100% up to the Congress, the president can't do anything about that, but it's nice that he thinks he can. At least he isn't openly insisting on ballot harvesting on his site. Good.


    Strengthen America’s Commitment to JusticeOur criminal justice system cannot be just unless we root out the racial, gender, and income-based disparities in the system. Joe will create a $20 billion competitive grant program to spur states to focus on prevention and reduce incarcerated populations, inspired by a Brennan Center proposal. He will expand and use the power of the Justice Department, under authority created by legislation he authored, to address systemic misconduct in police departments and prosecutors’ offices. Joe will also invest in public defenders’ offices, eliminate the death penalty and mandatory minimums, and end the federal crack and powder cocaine disparity. He will decriminalize the use of cannabis and automatically expunge all cannabis use convictions, end incarceration for drug use alone, and expand effective alternatives to detention. He will end cash bail and private prisons. Joe will invest $1 billion per year in juvenile justice reform. He will also set a goal of ensuring 100% of formerly incarcerated individuals have housing upon reentry and expand access to mental health and substance use disorder treatment, as well as educational opportunities and job training during and after incarceration. 

    Everything here, Trump has already done... moving on...



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    End Violence Against WomenJoe will build on the landmark Violence Against Women Act, which he wrote and championed, by expanding the safety net for survivors and changing the culture that enables sexual violence. He will support the diverse needs of survivors of violence against women by expanding grants for culturally-specific services, making existing federal programs for victims more responsive to the unique needs of different communities, investing in the well-being of adolescent girls of color, strengthening investment in alternative justice approaches, and combating the epidemic of violence against transgender women of color.
    Alternative justice? Another one of those head scratcher terms. Kinda hard to appear for law and order if you believe in alternative laws and alternative justice... A scary proposition for a person whose job and responsibility is to make sure laws are followed as Congress writes them.

    This Act is about 25 years old now. Expanding this ACT while also campaigning for prison reform is a head scratcher. Attempts to make this act with harsher penalties and widening the scope of coverage is only going to flood the prisons back up. ACLU has been back and forth on this one for good reason.

    So there you have it. Not a single original plan from Biden (as expected) except for free trade schooling.
    40 more years of the same.

    With the sole exception of 2 years of free trade schooling for "hard workers", which Biden failed to put a price tag on, we already know how this story plays out.

    4 more years of 40 years of failed Biden policies.


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    Why didn’t Hussein and Joe do this in the 8 years in their office. All talk no action. Only a fool would believe Joe plans to do stuff when he hasn’t for the last 47 years
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    How do you like my analysis? It took a while.
    This is the 1st time that I went over the post character limit.
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    Only a fool would believe Joe is going to do any of that when he couldn’t while he was Hussein’s wingman

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    How do you like my analysis? It took a while.
    Couldn’t have said it better myself
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    How much do you think 2 free years of trade school will cost the taxpayer?
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    How much do you think 2 free years of trade school will cost the taxpayer?
    Including illegals or excluding?
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    Lol, everything in a democrat's plan includes illegals.

    C'mon Man!

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    Lol, everything in a democrat's plan includes illegals.

    C'mon Man!
    How could I be so ignorant!

    50 trillion at least, probably more
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    If you’re interested in like actual legit polls you should watch Rich Baris on YouTube. @PeoplePundit

    He shows you the voter files he has, the distribution of polls he conducts and he also analyzes other polls and answers question. Once a week he does a show with another dude who has studied elections for years according to demographics down to the county level

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    Well, you can't really trust any poll in the current cancel culture climate. It's like trying to poll in China or Russia.
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    Uneducated parents are more likely to create traumatizing environments for those children.
    Poorer students cannot afford a laptop and historically, probably not even a smartphone. 
    Uneducated parents are more likely to create traumatizing environments for those children.  Add to that the fact that kids tend to mimic the behavior of the older kids and adults in their community and you have a recipe for disaster.  Multi-generational problems are real too.   Parents who weren't allowed to even drink from the same fountain as a white kid, will pass their pain down to their own kids.
    that is the leftist vision of black people, apparently yours as well

    " they can't help break the law because they are black and poor,  they are talented and just as bright as white kids, right?"

    I don't believe that and I'm not sure how you can.  I can believe Biden believes it which is why he said it.  Do you have soft bigotry of low expectations?  From your post you say poor then in the next sentence you add in a skin color (black)
    you should re read you post objectively if you can and see how it came across.


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    Yeah...housing should be a right... why not food? What about water? Energy? Healthcare? Shit, everything we consume should be a "right"
    WOW!!!!  I applaud your commitment.  I cannot possibly read all of that tonight.  I have to go.   But I will try to read it all when I can.  I have to say that right off the bat you are saying things about Biden that he didn't say.  The plan said, "Joe has fought for housing equity" and "He will end redlining and other discriminatory and unfair practices in the housing market".  He DID NOT SAY that housing was a right.

    But honestly, WOW!  I know I am just about the only moderate (liberal leaning) person in the Politics forum.  But you guys really seem to gang up and pat each other on the back a lot.  You seem to always be in "attack" mode.  I promise to give your ideas the attention they deserve.  But your "wall of text" will take some time. 

    And again, I've only been around for a couple of weeks.  But I can't seem to find anything but far-right-wing conservatives here (NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT!)   <----  Seinfeld reference :)   SERIOUSLY, I'm just joking here.
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      But I can't seem to find anything but far-right-wing conservatives here
    of course you can't, anyone who isn't a leftist must be a far right wing, even libertarians and conservatives.