9sk/seldiora's Gauntlet Tournament

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@seldiora
Make me the challenger and I'll get the ball rolling fast.
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@RationalMadman
are you sure? Then it'd basically be you stomping everyone and then getting to debate whiteflame.
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@seldiora
I wouldn't underestimate any of those opponents, you should add Ayyantu as a sixth opponent but I'd prefer to vs you first because we both will get it going fast.
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Thematically, as a new member, I should be challenger.
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@RationalMadman
ok. Let's just have Ayyantu get wrecked first since I'm intrigued by his debating style. Then he can switch out.
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well, it's all up to you now to accept nominations. I'll try not to copy my old arguments and instead rely on logic and deduction to try to disprove con's side. 
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@seldiora
Should the next rounds be like Gauntlet 1 Round 2?
Or like Gauntlet 1 (R2)? Or what did you have in mind

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are we both judging each or splitting up duties?  If we both judge we may have ties.
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Good question. Seldiora had us both in the same debate as well. Seldiora, do you want one of us to just waive our vote, or do you want to treat ties as an automatic win/loss for the challenger?
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I propose we give Ties to the challenger. Like baseball or kickball when tie goes to the runner?
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OK  so that means both of us vote
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@oromagi
Yea I'm ok with that...but it's up to Seldiora. Let's see what he says
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oh. I guess I'll just alternate between you two. You can vote first MisterChris.
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@oromagi
I guess you just put "tie" then. 
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@seldiora
I wouldn't be so arrogant if I were you.
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@Sum1hugme
we can do GAUNTLET 1 (R2) or something, yeah. 
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@RationalMadman
to be honest, I'm just lazy and I don't want to look lazy so I didn't copy my magnus opus of 10k characters and instead stripped it down to bare minimum
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I think challenger should not proceed unless she gets both votes. A tie means I lose. 
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eh. Sure, I guess. Why not. Add more challenge. You can vote if you want, Oromagi.
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Clarification on structure: If challenger gets defeated, I believe all 5 tower positions are set back into place again and new challenger has to restart. RM was confused about my description (and I too was with Robert's "reset" idea). I feel like it'd be cheating if someone managed to defeat 4/5 and a new challenger constantly harassed the top debater thanks to the previous person's effort.
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@seldiora
Your concern makes no sense, it's you who is aiming for an endless game potentially, not me.
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@Ayyantu
It's a 7-point voting system per voter, even if both vote differently, it won't necessarily be a tie.
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@seldiora
RM is right... To avoid an endless game, why not just end the game after we run out of challengers who signup during the length of the tournament with Ayyantu?

We only have one challenger. If we got more challengers before Ayyantu is finished, we could potentially do another round. But no one else so far has expressed interest in doing so
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@MisterChris
He is saying he wants to recycle the gauntlet each and every time. So if he beats Ayyantu, then Ayyantu joins the tower rather than being eliminated.

He says this is fair because it lets Ayyantu face someone like Whiteflame later on.

I say that's a waste of time because the dynamic here, and reason you are ranking players based on previously-perceived ability, is that we prey on the predator of the previously eliminated in a vicious cycle until finally a challenger proves our previous idea of who'd beat who wrong, since the challenger defeats the 'higher ranked' players. This may end up proving us right if Whiteflame beats me in the end (since that's what the ranking suggests the final 2 will be) but fundamentally, I am forcing an ending to the gauntlet and minimising the duration by saying if Seldiora beats Ayyantu, Ayyantu doesn't get to join the tower and instead is eliminated entirely while Seldiora becomes the new challenger.
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Ok yeah we’ll go with RM suggestion
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/in if any left
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@That1User
you are a replacement guard for intelligence if DD flops.
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@seldiora
Ur mom flops.
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That reminds me of Mr. Cruncher from A Tale of Two Cities complaining about his wife floppin' down and prayin' ag'inst his honest work.