The Conservative Case Against Trump

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Any Dem Socialist pick is a No No for me. 
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@Vader
Biden has nothing whatsoever to do with the shutdowns in your state or any state, just like Trump didn't. Note Biden's entire point is that it's Trump's fault we had to shutdown in the first place. If you go back to the presidential debate, he said the reason the economy had to be shut down was largely in part to Trump's negligence, and had he taken certain measures -- specifically telling the public about the virus sooner; emphasizing the seriousness of the virus rather than downplay the 'hoax' of concern; encouraging everyone to wear masks; and providing PPE to critical establishments among other things -- that businesses would have been a lot safer to remain open. Biden said "If I were running it, I’d know what the plan is. You’ve got to provide these businesses the ability to have the money to be able to reopen with the PPE, as well as with the sanitation they need." So why do you think he is pro-shut down and why does it matter if he is anyway? It's up to the governors. Sounds like  useless Fox News rhetoric to me. 

We'll get to taxes and the economy later cuz I g2g for now. In short you say employers will not hire as many people if they have to pay more taxes. Tariffs are considered a tax and Trump is very pro tariff. He openly talks about forcing employers to hire more expensive labor and buy more expensive (American made) products. So by that same logic Trump's policies are equally if not more problematic. He also ran a huge deficit because he cut taxes without cutting enough spending. But we'll come back to that. 

Btw the fact that you think Mike Pence is "better in every way" than Kamala is insane lol. Want to debate that? 


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I'll respond more later as well, but I agree tariffs and trade wars are useless and detrimental, but the way taxes will go up with cause lots of American business to potentially relocate to foreign markets in general which could mess up the economy. I strongly disagree with Trump's Tariffs
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 Tariffs are considered a tax...

Tariffs are a sin tax punishing people who choose to not buy American.

Progressive taxes are a sin tax on people that choose to work too hard or produce too much.

Do you think it is the government's obligation to impose sin taxes for moral/cultural reasons?
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To be honest I expected a more egregious lie than that.
Smearing a man for no reason is pretty egregious. Of course, it does pale a bit in comparison to Trump deliberately downplaying covid.
That takes some character.
Or just public pressure and the threat of electoral harm if he doesn't apologize. That being said, apologizing is better than not apologizing. At the same time, not doing anything requiring an apology is better still.
I just completely disagree on the plagiarism thing. I get why it's bad "in theory" but I just couldn't care less about it since Biden likely had no idea who wrote what.
He plagiarized to the point where he was passing off someone else's life stories as his own. It was blatantly dishonest.
And the handsy thing is creepy and gross and I'm confident with more of the #MeToo culture this prevalence will go away.
I hope so.
Tulsi Gabbard seems like she could genuinely be one of those reptilian politicians the Illuminati is always going on about lol. She gives me the heebie jeebies.
I've never listened to her speak, so I wouldn't know. Personality isn't the same thing as character, though. A lizard with integrity is preferable to a man without integrity. 

Well, that last sentence was weird, especially since I'm the guy who's used a lizard as his pfp on Discord since making a joke about being an Illuminati reptile in DARTvivor S2.
I liked Andrew Yang's character (and ideas). 
I don't know about his ideas, but I'll agree with you about his character, at least from what I know about him.
Joe Biden's environmental plan is not going to come to fruition.
I know, but voting for someone because their worst ideas probably won't pass is a rather unappealing idea.
Which part of his gun control advocacy do you disagree with?
Biden supports banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, and I don't.
(I'm very pro-gun myself.)
Really? I wouldn't have guessed that. Reminder #1307: Never try to guess someone's political positions using a political stereotype.
It's interesting that conservatives feel federal funds shouldn't be allowed to pay for abortions because they "don't believe in abortion,"
More like because we think the unborn is a person, so abortion is murder. You probably disagree, but there's more there than just "not believing in abortion." Also, even presuming abortion is a right, why should the government pay for it? It doesn't pay people to buy guns or print news or assemble freely.
 yet argue that religious foster and adoption agencies should be able to discriminate against gays even though gay people's taxes are sent to those organizations.
That goes both ways. Why should gay people be forced to fund those organizations? Why should the religious organizations be forced to violate their beliefs? There is a conflict of rights there. I don't know what the solution is.
 we'll get to court packing later
I don't think I said court-packing, although I did mention originalism vs. living constitution. I'm not sure whether Biden favors court packing or not. I suspect that he himself doesn't, and I don't think it's going to happen. I don't like that he refused to say his position on it, but I'm not too worried about it because of how the Senate election turned out.
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jo jergenson ruined everything