Key takeaways from this election

 I'd like to see your solution to not seeing children starve in the streets in front of us.

Make every child a ward of the state from the moment of conception

Stop bitching about not having 100% safety if you are not willing to live in a totalitarian state to achieve it.

 Unfortunately this corporate sponsored "culture" is the death of all real culture, both American and otherwise, but that's a different discussion.

The remaining cultural trappings are just that--trappings. This is also why all the "cultural appropriation" stuff is even a thing, btw. People feel the need to aggressively defend their groups traditional clothing and food and such because that's all they have left, and they know it.

For immigration not to be toxic for the mainstream society the immigrant (or at least their children) has to lose their uniqueness, what makes them THEM, and replace it with something different. It's not a fair thing to ask of people.

Well. Yes, in a way. But I can't help but notice that the flavor of right wing politics I prefer (right wing populism) is much more palatable to minorities than Bush/Romney style austerity. Immigration did kill the old Republican consensus but honestly that surprisingly turned out to be a good thing. A white-working class and Latino coalition might actually be in the works (https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1325524794570313730). I certainly hope it is. 

I wouldn't have allowed mass immigration if I were in charge in the 1960's, but honestly it's a fait accompli at this point. The good news is that I anticipate Biden's presidency to be the last great wave of immigration before the spigot is turned off again for a while. 

Susan Collins is an unbeatable political goddess 

Donors who worked for Facebook and Google skewed 97%-3% for Biden. Apple was 92%-8%. Amazon was a mere 80%-20%. These companies are definitely left wing bastions, and if right wingers use them successfully it is absolutely against the wishes of those who own and work for those companies. They've been cracking down on right wing speech pretty rapidly lately.

Joe Biden is not the President-Elect. Sure, the media has given that crown, but it's paper and gold paint. It's not even as official as the Burger King crown. Joe Biden stands before a background blazoned with "Office of the President-Elect," complete with seal, but there is no such office. It's a charade. It's sleight-of-hand. There is no President-Elect by popular vote, and there never has been since Geo Washington. The Constitution says otherwise. Title3 U.S.C. §7 says otherwise. The Electoral College meets on the Monday following the second Wednesday of December, the 14th, by which time, the 8th, the States have ALL submitted their certified election results. Media be damned, only then is the President-Elect designated. Just because we now have a minute-by-minute news cycle, we didn't with Washington's first election of 1793, and it makes no bloody difference now. Anything else is blowing up a wish balloon. Save your breath.

But Hi-Tech?  They may vote liberally, but they allowed Trump to spout his lies all over their platforms because they believe in Freedom of Speech.  I, personally, think that when it comes to voting  ---  nothing should be published that is an objective lie.  I'm not talking about subjective crap like "I am the better choice" or "Make America Great Again".  I mean facts.  There should be a bi-partisan fact checking MEDIA group that works in real-time.  I know I am dreaming.  But damn, you get one set of "facts" from one news outlet and another from Fox News   (ummm  . . .  I mean . . . and another from a different news outlet).  Seriously, just teasing here.  But I wish there was an Associated Press (AP) News type deal for major elections.  ONE FACT-CHECKED SOURCE.

My point is this.  Despite the "cultural" control you talk about, it was Trump's misinformation that got the most attention.  He and Tucker and Hannity and podcasts like InfoWars DOMINATED social media.  People who work for Tech companies (like myself) are generally moderate to liberal --  this is TRUE.  But, we will defend Freedom of Speech to the end.

Joe Biden became the Democratic nominee because of nonwhite democrats.

If you don't believe there is a power disparity between the right and the left in terms of culture, I don't know what to tell you.

As for the riots, there have been spontaneous outbursts of rioting and civil unrest throughout the country over the past six months

 Why do you think Hispanics shifted so hard to Trump this time around?

 You can't honestly say that there's no difference between Trump and Sanders other than Trump's "bigotry"--Sanders is a lot better than the Dem establishment, but he's a left wing populist, not a right wing populist. There's a distinct difference.

Do you even know any Trump supporters in real life?

Donors who worked for Facebook and Google skewed 97%-3% for Biden. Apple was 92%-8%. Amazon was a mere 80%-20%. 

the left has more power right now they are far more effective at it. .  . I'm talking about the modern phenomenon of random individuals being "canceled."

As for the shy Trump vote thing--there absolutely are vocal supporters of Trump, but they don't tend to live in or work in leftist areas.

Republicans over performed big time in this election.

Arizona has around 40k left but they are actually predicted to skew in Trumps direction.

Joe Biden is not the President-Elect. Sure, the media has given that crown, but it's paper and gold paint. 

Because he IS the President, and he DOES have an office.

how do you have the audacity?

So you think electing Bernie Sanders would have destroyed the Democratic Party? I agree. Wish I had that moral support from you back in March :) 

Are there any other examples? You said it was routine. I'd like to think about the trends and see if they tell a story. 

In addition to Fox News, there's Breitbart, The Washington Times, National Review, Red State, Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, The American Conservative, The American Spectator, Candace Owens, and many more very popular right-wing commentators and publications. Virtually every NASCAR and country music star is pro Trump, and middle America tends to resent Hollywood and the media anyway.

I think it depends on which Hispanics you're referring to; Trump only increased his share of Hispanic support by 4 percent. Biden still got 2/3 of the Latino vote. I do think some of it has to do with establishing an "us vs. them" distinction between good immigrants and bad ones.  Why do you think so many Hispanics support Trump? Is it just anti BLM stuff + social conservatism, or do you think they hate themselves given many of them are first generation Americans with both legal and illegal immigrant family members and friends?

Again why do you think Republicans who emphatically endorsed "free market capitalism" for the last 40 years suddenly did a 180 for Trump though? And do you believe Trump delivered significant results for the poor and working class, particularly in the heartland where he promised to do so? I read a study that found relative stagnation in economic conditions throughout the Midwest.  Apparently median household income grew at a slower pace (2.1%) during Trump's first three years in office compared to the last three years of Obama’s presidency when annual average income growth was 2.6%.  Another report says  under Trump, annual pay also grew more slowly in counties that voted for Obama twice but then voted for Trump in 2016. In fact, the average annual wage growth during the Obama presidency was nearly twice that of the Trump presidency in the counties that swung for Trump.

Almost all seem to have died down in July after about a month and a half, except a few might have popped up in cities where a black person was shot. I believe there was one in Philly not too long ago. I haven't heard of anything else. I think a lot of the civil unrest could have been thwarted if Trump took a more balanced tone instead of thriving off the "Dems hate law and order" narrative though. He barely acknowledges the problem of unchecked police unions, choosing instead to focus on the "thugs." I get that it's politics but he could have done a much better job at being a good leader. 

That is 100% irrelevant though. These stories of alleged suppression tend to be simply anecdotal because the facts simply don’t back up sweeping assertions. People at Media Matters have done study after study after study after study showing that conservative content on Facebook receives significantly greater engagement than other content. The New York Times’  has shown that the top-performing link posts on U.S. Facebook pages are dominated by conservatives like Trump, Ben Shapiro and Fox News contributors. The examples that conservatives give of alleged censorship are usually just examples of individuals breaking the rules or people who don't know how social media works. 

This "phenomenon" of being cancelled is not new at all though. Here is an apropos meme. History is chock full of firings and harassment and lawsuits against people who were targeted and taken down for disagreeing with the status quo. You should look into how people were treated if they spoke out against the Vietnam War. I agree there is a huge problem with Cancel Culture and silencing dissent and punishing people with different POVs, but I completely disagree this is a new thing or that it is unique to the left. That's whiney ass Tucker Carlon crying again about things he cannot back up. And if you challenge that notion that this is not new or unique to the left, I'll just inundate you with tons more examples proving that straight up factually isn't true (I believe I already gave like a dozen examples). It's nothing personal I just loathe this demonstrably false take. As I stated there is a difference between having your Facebook profile silenced for 30 days and having the government demand loyalty oaths. There's a difference between being kicked of twitter and being fired for being gay.

Conservative speakers are just as welcome on liberal college campuses as liberals are at Trump rallies I guess.

Maybe it's true Republicans overperformed because I wasn't paying attention to specific races, but if it's true that people voted Republican down-ballot and against Trump then it's just as much a signal that Americans dislike his style as much as they like it. I feel like focusing on how dire things are for Democrats though is just a red herring. Like it's true but can't we all breathe a collective sigh of relief to have this chimpanzee out of the highest office? I think everyone knows it's an uphill battle from here. 

I don't think it would've destroyed the democratic party, may have even been better in the long term, but he would have lost this specific election. 

Of course leftists have more "star power" in culture.

I don't know just how much he improved but it was by a very, very significant amount. 

Hispanics are swinging right because American politics are getting less polarized by race and more polarized by class.

Someone made a good point that Trump was like chemotherapy for the GOP. 

 Renegotiating NAFTA was a very big deal. . . The economy, pre-COVID, under Trump really was EXTREMELY solid and low wage earners were finally seeing some improvements.

 A lot of stores in big cities boarded up their windows on the eve of the election, and it wasn't out of a fear of Trump supporters. 

If you believe that the big tech companies are biased in favor of the right, we are so far apart that it's not going to be fruitful.

but what IS new is just how visible it is today.

I would feel much safer going to a Trump rally wearing a Biden hat than I would be wearing a Trump hat at a black lives matter rally--and so would you. 

2024 will probably be a Republican blow out.

-“It’s my or the left” worked for almost every Republican in a close race and almost worked for Donald Trump himself. It’s going to work in every close race in 2022 and 2024 if Biden doesn’t temper the more violent and anti civilizational undercurrents on the left.  

If non-whites are more moderate and the influence of non-whites is growing, should the party remain closer to moderate? 

I don't deny that leftists have more "star power" in culture; I deny that it's significant. Celebrities have the most clout with young people who notoriously do not show up to the polls. The most reliable voters are old people who couldn't care less about who Cardi B is endorsing. And if it's true that celebrities had a ton of sway then we wouldn't see Republicans being so dominant for so long. Obama was a centrist with a Republican Congress for the majority of his term. And then we got Trump whom every celebrity hates. Obviously "the failing New York Times" has more readers than Breitbart, but Steve Bannon made a very convincing case for how conservative media led to Trump's victory. Do you disagree with that? 

Yeah I'm only going by exit polls. Can you explain how increased turnout in some places though means increased turnout overall? For instance if Trump got 100 more voters in Houston than he did in 2016, but 100 more Hispanic New Yorkers showed up for Dems in 2020 than in 2016, is that really Trump increasing the Hispanic vote? I haven't followed this closely. 

You said the economy was EXTREMELY solid under Trump, so again I will ask: how much did blue collar people's wealth really increase the last 4 years? Has your family got a lot more wealth? (I ask because you live in the midwest iirc.) More property? More assets? A significant increase in take-home pay?  I think we can all agree Trump prioritized the stock market and Wall Street over "Main Street" which is fine but seems like a dishonest narrative from the people who pretend Trump has changed their lives. They're still poor. They still can't afford healthcare. 

It sounds like you're trying to have it both ways in portraying Trump as some sort of guru who saved the economy, while at the same time knowing low-income earners and the working class did not improve their class status much if at all. The gap is still there and may have even been widened. Earning $2 more per hour is nice, but did the working class gain any substantial wealth at all?

It's also important to remember the riots did not occur in a vacuum. They were a response to (another) horrific murder by a police officer in a profession that routinely gets away with misconduct. Race aside, it is just an absolute fact that police unions are extremely powerful entities and have many tools in place that allow for the continued employment of "bad applaes."

Like I said I think where the left has dominated Cancel Culture in a problematic way is academia and throughout real attempts at intellectual discourse. I couldn't care less if Milo Yiannopolis is heckled out of some university. Silencing someone that is not being intentionally provocative though? That's shitty and it's a real problem. Again my issue with calling it a "leftist problem" is that it seemingly hand waives away all the times conservatives do it, and they do it a lot. I maintain when the President is asking for certain media personnel to be fired because they portrayed him unfavorably, and proceeds to tag the chairman of the FCC, it creates just as much if not more problematic Cancel Culture trends as unjustified blowback in the private sector. I take issue with people who champion the right to discriminate and who would be the first ones to demand boycotts and firings ("HAPPY HOLIDAYS? FUCK STARBUCKS") having such a yuge problem with trigger happy firings by liberals. It just annoys me.

You think so? I hardly ever make predictions like this. I think it's too soon to tell. Who do you think some Republican frontrunners will be for POTUS?

We got another precinct map out of Phoenix today and once again it showed Trump improving in Hispanic neighborhoods

I think conservative media is a lot weaker than liberal media FOR SURE.

If you want a picture of what the economy under Trump was like for normal people pre-COVID, the most comprehensive source is the Federal Reserve Family Finance Report

Police really do get away with some pretty horrific stuff and many police officers are trigger happy retards. 

Nike did their thing with Collin Kapernick in September 2018. Their stock price was in the $80 range back then. It's $126 now. Doesn't seem like conservative attempts to "Cancel" Nike were that effective.

it's clear that in the status quo [Conservatives] don't have this [Cancel Culture] power.

The way I see it, this election was repudiation of Trump as a person, for sure, but it was also a repudiation of the left.