The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Mafia DP2

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@Ayyantu
Two questions:

Will someone die by visiting you?

And

Why is sir town confirmed?
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@SirAnonymous
Where you at cuh
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@Ayyantu
I'd especially like to know why Speed was so opposed to lynching Intelligence yesterday.
Please direct me to the post in which I was opposed to lynching him

Also didn't you just say I was town for lynching Supa over Intel? Why the sudden change of pace?
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@Speedrace
A little defensive there, he didn't say you were a scum read, just asked you a question.
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Three people want me to claim, so I'll go ahead.

I am the lens of truth. Because I reveal things that cannot be seen, I am the Oracle. Every night, I visit someone. If I die, the character, role, and affiliation of the last person I visited will be revealed at the start of the next DP.
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@SirAnonymous
Alrighty

VTL Intel
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@Lunatic
A little defensive there, he didn't say you were a scum read, just asked you a question.
He said I'm a scum read like twice
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wait is a intel-supa-sir mafia trio likely?
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vtl intel again, i think we've had enough time
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@Danielle
So you're saying you don't know how to play the game?
No, just that I don't know that part of the game.
Explain how anyone is ever supposed to read you town if you're only going to jump on other people's analyses. 
How you interpreted a post in which I explicitly stated that I would provide analysis to mean that I would only jump on other people's analyses is beyond me.
You were mafia with Intel last game. Do you think he came up with his role as a fake claim? Pie said he'd give scum either one fake character OR role claim. So if Intel is scum, he (or Supa) would have had to come up with a role or character to fit that role block trait. Could you see Intel coming up with that and/or do you recognize any trends or traits about how Intel plays as scum vs. how he's playing here?
Unless Pie gave it to the mafia as a fake claim, there's very little chance Intel came up with it on his own. Supra easily could, though. I'll have to reread his posts in both games to answer your question about his behavior. For obvious reasons, I didn't bother to analyze his behavior last game. I'll have to go do that.
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Unvote.

Anything else need to be said? I'll give it 20 minutes then ill hammer unless people wanna continue discussion.



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Reread Intel's posts in the last two games - just his posts, not the entire games. I didn't really see any significant change in style. It was roughly the same mix of really brief analysis and complaints about no one else being active at the same time.
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@Lunatic
I can't think of anything. I'm down with his lynch, and most everyone else seems to be also.
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@SirAnonymous
The thing thats selling me on him is that he seems to have given up and is putting no effort into defending himself. Also the reason for his night action makes like no sense from a town jailer perspective.
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For investigators, if you care:

Id target between sir, danielle, water and speed tonight.
 
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Trying to think if their is anything else i wanna get out before the night phase goes on for another year
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@Lunatic
Agreed on both counts. Although, not to be mean to him, I'm not sure I would expect his night action to make much sense. He didn't seem to put much effort into it when I was scum with him. The scum chat was mostly me talking to myself until Pie joined.
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I know intell could just be lazy or not putting thought into it. But as ayya mentioned, this lynch tells us a lot from wagon behavior in the first day phase.

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Which is weird, because he puts a lot of effort into his debates.
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Do not under any circumstances lynch or waste investigation on Water. He's locktown. Please trust me on this.
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@Ayyantu
No. You cannot confirm people from behavior alone.
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@SirAnonymous
As long as you believe that, you won't improve. Your choice.
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I agree water is airtight town. im dumb for not seeing it before.

vtl intel
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@Lunatic
Are you being serious? I lean town on him based on his claim, but I don't see how he's confirmed.
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@ILikePie5
Hammer.
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@SirAnonymous
dont worry hes town.
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@SirAnonymous
:D <- see that, that's the face of town
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@Danielle
He claimed to be an empty bottle from Zelda, the Jailkeeper, and to have used his ability on Bearman (that1user). that1 verifies he was RB. @that1 you need to ask the mod what language would be used in a Jailkeeper vs. Role Blocker situation. This is something I am going to clarify in each game when I mod cuz it's come up before. If we can verify he's the Jailkeeper we can move along. I can't see Intelligence coming up with that character so it might be fake from the mod
Idk how to ask the mod, I got my role action was nullified, Intel said he jailed/role-blocked Bear (me), meaning the only way Ik why I was role-nulled was because Intel said he role-blocked me, nothing the mod says alone reveals anything
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Unofficial Vote Count:

Intelligence - (5/5) - That1User, Water, speed, crocodile, lunatic

SirAnonymous - (1/5) - Danielle

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@Ayyantu
For the most part, this looks like a case where scum had every reason to bus Supa because the alternative was bussing Intelligence. It was a lose-lose situation. If Intelligence flips scum, it should clear Danielle & indicate that last scum is Speed. 

If Intelligence is town, I'd take a closer look at Danielle as potential scum. Town Intelligence clears Luna, Sir, Bear, & Water - never lynch these four if that's the flip.

Why? Why does Intel flipping town get these clears besides Water?