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  • sadolite
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    So in lite of Twitter and fakebook and Google (privately owned companies) choosing to discriminate against any and all users of their service for any reason they see fit, will bakeries now have the same luxury?
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    I hope not, I want to see Trump get to 400 pounds.
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    No really, can bakeries tell anyone they want to fuck off and go somewhere else. And if not, why?
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    --> @sadolite
    So in lite of Twitter and fakebook and Google (privately owned companies) choosing to discriminate against any and all users of their service for any reason they see fit, will bakeries now have the same luxury?
    no one is being discriminated against for who or what they are. They get banned for choosing to do terrible things. Like advocating violence for example. 

    A bakery choosing to refuse service because of the something the person cannot control (like their ethnicity or their sexual orientation) is extremely immoral and needs to be illegal. 

    So refusing service to someone advocating murder, totally fine. They chose to do something awful. Refusing service to someone for the color of their skin, very much not fine. 
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    So in lite of Twitter and fakebook and Google (privately owned companies) choosing to discriminate against any and all users of their service for any reason they see fit, will bakeries now have the same luxury?
    I guess you've forgotten that Masterpiece bakery won that case in the Supreme Court three years ago.  So whatever confectionary discrimination you were hoping to justify has judicial standing at least.

    My family actually gave that bakery a lot of business  in the 2000's- my brother's wedding cake, etc.  They did a good job.  Although I am gay, I did not really object much to Masterpiece's refusal and even bought another cake from them after all the publicity started but my people didn't appreciate being served that cake.  There's plenty of conservatives to bolster business in that part of town but their main business model had been wedding cakes and even conservative families don't want to piss off anybody at a wedding.

    Six months after winning the Supreme Court case, Masterpiece bakery went bankrupt- the place was a total ghost town.


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    Your argument is completely flawed. You are grouping millions of people into one group by the actions of a tiny few.  Entire web sites with millions of users are being shut down because of the actions, no not even the actions, but the words of a few. Facebook has millions upon millions of users who threaten violence on group pages on a daily bases.  And it doesn't censor them or shut them down.

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    Do you believe the government should force Amazon to host services of organizations it doesn't want to host, that it should force Google to populate its store with apps it doesn't want? Is the government then going to pay these companies the expense of forcing them to host these services or do they just have to eat that cost?
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    Also, there were less than a million of people on Parler, so cut the "millions of snowflakes" business.
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    Entire web sites with millions of users are being shut down because of the actions, no not even the actions, but the words of a few.
    nope. an app is being taken off an app store for violating the policies of that store. People are calling for the murder of government officials and that app allows it. They are being punished for their actions. 

    Facebook has millions upon millions of users who threaten violence on group pages on a daily bases.  And it doesn't censor them or shut them down.
    sounds like you are arguing for more censorship. I see nothing about that statement that would, in any way, make me think shutting down violent extremists is wrong.

    It sounds like you are arguing that the federal government should force companies to cater to the whims of extremists. You really want the federal government to have the power to force them to do that?
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    Such is liberal oppression.
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    Ahh the bakeries. A mountain made out of a mole hill to garner votes by riling up the conservative base by appealing to religion and hate. Don't be fooled. It's a zero-impact issue. You have no reason to go to the ballot box now. Just stay home.
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    --> @drafterman @sadolite
    You're argument is completely flawed.  You are grouping millions of people into one group by the actions of a tiny few.
    Also, there were less than a million of people on Parler, so cut the "millions of snowflakes" business.
    Active User Base (Rough Estimate)

    Parler                              Twitter
    Launch
    August 2018                 July 2006
                       
    Dec. 2018                
    40,000+  (famous recognition)

    May 2019
    100,000 

    June 2019
    200,000  (international recognition)

    June 2020 [1]                 March 2008 [2]
    1,000,000 active       1,000,000 total (200,000+ active)

    July 2020                         July 2008 [3]
    2,000,000 total            2,000,000 total       

    Nov. 2020                     
    4,000,000 (10,000,000 total) [4]



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    Companies should be free to lose as much money as they wish by telling consumers to fuck off.

    It's only fair after Trump lost a few billion telling establishment DC to fuck off.
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    Do you believe govt should force bakeries to serve people who have political beliefs they don't like or believe  or create depictions on cakes they find abhorrent and immoral?
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    No.
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    Well then, double standard or as I call it intellectual dullard.

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    What double standard?
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    Exactly LOL
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    Um you left a few websites  and group pages off your list  LOL
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    What do you mean? I'm applying the same standard for Twitter as for bakeries.
  • sadolite
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    Far be it from me to contradict you.
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    Far be it for you to clarify yourself or actually answer a question.
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    I did, you think there is no double standard when say twitter, Facebook or google  shuts down a group page or website because they don't like the content  and that's  OK but a bakery that refuses to make or promote content they don't like, that's  not OK.  Or are you saying both are OK or Both are not OK
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    an app is being taken off an app store for violating the policies of that store. 
    Can you list that policy?

    And what if the policy of the store was that all apps on their platform must ban any users who marry inter-racially? Should that be ok?
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    Can you list that policy?
    I can refer you back to the statement from google and apple. Are you doubting that they have a policy that requires app's on their store to have moderation?

    And what if the policy of the store was that all apps on their platform must ban any users who marry inter-racially? Should that be ok?
    no. that would be unconstitutional you cannot legally discriminate on grounds of race. But we aren't talking about race, or even discrimination. Parlor allowed users to spread messages encouraging violence. They did not take sufficient steps to prevent these messages from being spread so they were taken off the app store. There is no discrimination here.