Pie told me I lose my x shot if I am roleblocked which isn't answering how a roleblocker works but how mine interacts with one
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@Lunatic
I asked deeper
If I were a cop and asked you if an enabler enabled me would it work though a rb , would you answer
He said
No because it goes into the mechanic of an enabler
So it stands to reason if drafter was asking about could he enable (x)
He would not get an answer ?
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@Elminster
I asked deeperIf I were a cop and asked you if an enabler enabled me would it work though a rb , would you answerHe saidNo because it goes into the mechanic of an enabler
That's consistent with what we've established, that he won't answer questions about others roles but he will answer how your role effects others. What drafter asked was how his role influences a roleblock.
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@Elminster
So it stands to reason if drafter was asking about could he enable (x)He would not get an answer ?
He's asking how his role interacts with a roleblocker, not how a roleblocker works. Technically you could say that also answers questions about how a roleblocker functions, but his answer to me about roleblocking a 1x role and losing it does the same thing.
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@Lunatic
But if it's how his role affects another role , it would still be no ?
Or a yes
Maybe it's veribage
Or a yes
Maybe it's veribage
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@Lunatic
Yeah I don't buy it
I have specifically asked if my role will strengthen other roles and allow them to function if that player is killed. He said no.I have asked him if it will prevent cops' results from being interfered with by a lawyer or framer or miller or godfather and he said no.
Yeah none of this is explicitly about other roles, and also could just be Pie messing up. And I think drafter is smart enough to not mess up that colossally
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@Elminster
But if it's how his role affects another role , it would still be no ?Or a yesMaybe it's veribage
Drafters answer lines up with my answer, given the apparent clarification that pie doesn't think answering how your role works with others also gives you information about the mechanics of pie's role. The whole thing's wishy washy reasoning wise but it indicates consistency from pie in a way that doesn't acknowledge pie "fvcked up" lol
Both Grey and Chris hopped on that lynch
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@Speedrace
Both Grey and Chris hopped on that lynch
Grey's already been on drafter, and chris instantly unvoted after he got his answer. Regardless, pie is being querrelous with how he gives information, so I'd say the blame lies on him lol
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@Lunatic
Grey's already been on drafter, and chris instantly unvoted after he got his answer. Regardless, pie is being querrelous with how he gives information, so I'd say the blame lies on him lol
Oh I thought Grey just hopped on. Agreed on Chris
Are you still shooting drafter
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@Speedrace
Oh I thought Grey just hopped on. Agreed on ChrisAre you still shooting drafter
If he is legit getting replaced, there is no need to. If he isn't getting replaced, and refused to unvote elminster all game, then yes.
VTL whiteflame
Vote Count:
Drafterman (2/6) - Greyparrot, Elm
Whiteflame (2/6) - Speed, Lunatic
Elminster (1/6) - Drafter
Whiteflames overal activity seems lacking. Earlier when he was on he posted an unvote and dis-appeared, and convienently popped on 45 minutes later when I voted him. He only provides reads when prodded or scum read, but doesn't vote on them or act independently. I think he is a good lynch for dp1. He's defensive but seems non plussed at figuring out who scum is.
Bullishes general activity is also lacking, the entirety of his posting has been guess works of the mechanics of drafters role. Hes not really scum hunting either.
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@Lunatic
Ill vote whiteflame if Drafter is confirmed replaced.
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@Greyparrot
Ill vote whiteflame if Drafter is confirmed replaced.
I doubt pie can find a replacement in 24 hours left of the phase, but he can use first dead townie.
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@Lunatic
Dude, I hop off for about 2 hours and suddenly I'm sus? Shockingly, yes, I do have chores to do over the weekend, and yes, this isn't up on my phone during every second of that time. I'm still trying to catch up on this SNAFU with Draft because the last three pages of this are brand new to me. How about you give me a bit to catch up before you accuse me of somehow being sus for having things to do that don't include constantly refreshing this page?
i'm not gonna lie this whole lunatic drafter elminster thing seems like a ton of town bickering. based on the conversation between elminster and lunatic at the beginning of the dp that ran on for a few pages it really didn't seem facilitated and i'm pretty sure that it's almost impossible for both of them to be scum. greyparrot was right about if elminster was scum there would be no way for his scum partner to just be alright with him basically agreeing to get vig'd so i think he's pretty heavy town read. but i guess this mod answer stuff seems pretty damning for drafter. if drafter flips town i'll be looking at lunatic.
and i really don't think we need to lynch whiteflame, he really hasn't been that sus other than being slightly inactive lol
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@whiteflame
Dude, I hop off for about 2 hours and suddenly I'm sus? Shockingly, yes, I do have chores to do over the weekend, and yes, this isn't up on my phone during every second of that time. I'm still trying to catch up on this SNAFU with Draft because the last three pages of this are brand new to me. How about you give me a bit to catch up before you accuse me of somehow being sus for having things to do that don't include constantly refreshing this page?
If your busy, just wait to post until you can do more than just defend yourself then. Even now you hopped on just to defend yourself without providing a scum read of your own or any fresh takes on behaviors provided in the day phase.
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@Lunatic
Also, for someone who sees me as often indecisive in DP1, which I absolutely have been here, I'd like to know what makes you think this is any different. Taking independent action and pushing for lynches isn't something I've done in ANY DP1. I don't have solid reads for most of the people here. The only reads I provided so far are those that came from an expanded discussion that I barely got through reading before I was asked to comment in full on. As for figuring out who scum is, I don't think we'll manage that without seeing a NP play out.
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@Lunatic
If your busy, just wait to post until you can do more than just defend yourself then. Even now you hopped on just to defend yourself without providing a scum read of your own or any fresh takes on behaviors provided in the day phase.
This is absurd. You're calling me out for not having posted over the last couple of hours, and then you say I should wait to post until I have more information. And, apparently, that information requires me to provide scum reads that I don't have. Sorry, but I'm not going to provide you with a BS response that claims someone has somehow outed themselves as scum over the last couple of hours. I've finally finished reading through, and all I see is a lot of hell being raised over a statement from Pie that was, apparently, misunderstood. Sorry I wasn't here for that. Would've really livened things up.
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@Lunatic
Also, hard to get past the fact that you called me out for providing reads under pressure, and now you... want my reads... under pressure? Yep. Nothing odd here.
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@whiteflame
Also, for someone who sees me as often indecisive in DP1, which I absolutely have been here, I'd like to know what makes you think this is any different. Taking independent action and pushing for lynches isn't something I've done in ANY DP1. I don't have solid reads for most of the people here. The only reads I provided so far are those that came from an expanded discussion that I barely got through reading before I was asked to comment in full on. As for figuring out who scum is, I don't think we'll manage that without seeing a NP play out.
I defended you for being non committal in christmas mafia because magic called you out for the in like the first 2 pages of the day phase. This day phase is 17 pages long and there is plenty of content and activity, and you've been online. If your busy your busy. But you do get on to post only to reply or get defensive which is basically what you did with magic in christmas mafia. I even told her that if she had psuhed you for doing that it would have been a better case than the non committal post on the first few pages. This has been a fairly active day phase and just about everyone has posted significant content other than warren or bullish, so you should have plenty to read into at this point.
This is absurd. You're calling me out for not having posted over the last couple of hours, and then you say I should wait to post until I have more information. And, apparently, that information requires me to provide scum reads that I don't have. Sorry, but I'm not going to provide you with a BS response that claims someone has somehow outed themselves as scum over the last couple of hours. I've finally finished reading through, and all I see is a lot of hell being raised over a statement from Pie that was, apparently, misunderstood. Sorry I wasn't here for that. Would've really livened things up.
Again it's not about you "not being here". I am saying if you are busy, why post at all? You could just wait until your free then post your thoughts in clumps. All I have of you to analyze is what you do post. So far anything that you've posted has either been to defend yourself, or no make some big nothing post that only comes when prompted by me or elminster. If you are scum, it seems like you standing back to analyze which wagon to take part of or not take part in. If your able to respond at a whim, but not post anything significant, I have to assume you are talking in a scum PM somewhere potentially asking for advice, when and where to post, what should I say, etc. If you were town, I'd expect you to take a stance and make a behavioral read like you did in Waifu with drafter and Speed in bullishes game.
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@whiteflame
Also, hard to get past the fact that you called me out for providing reads under pressure, and now you... want my reads... under pressure? Yep. Nothing odd here.
We've already been through that, I asked for reads yesterday and got a nothing post, and earlier today a contradictory fence sitting post. At this point I am just okay lynching you. You've already shown me you have no intention of progressing this day phase or figuring out who scum is.
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@Lunatic
I’ve given you my thoughts on the major events of this DP. You can say all you want that it’s plenty of content, but it’s mostly been about infighting. I’d say at least half of this DP has been about Elm and Draft, and I have at least some reason to believe they’re both town. I think you are as well. There are also many who haven’t contributed much, and those who have have largely done so by hopping on and off lynches that others led, or leading a lynch that they never seem to care much about after voting. I don’t begrudge you your willingness to scum read me or anyone else, but I don’t have your willingness to lynch someone with the information we have in this DP. I’m just frustrated that so much of this DP has been anything but productive. You can call 17 pages of posts productive if you want, but so much of this has been either a pissing match or a set of distractions that I’d hesitate to call it that.
But hey, if you want to lynch me, go for it. I’m not particularly interested in addressing behaviors I do commonly and already know aren’t perfect for this game. At this point, any reads I give you will just be read as sus because they came after you pushed me to give them. I didn’t have reads yesterday when you asked for them, so I don’t know why you’re holding that against me. And I don’t know how I could be any clearer about how my posts weren’t contradictory. I clarified several times.
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@whiteflame
There are also many who haven’t contributed much, and those who have have largely done so by hopping on and off lynches that others led, or leading a lynch that they never seem to care much about after voting.
Who are they and why aren't you pressuring them then?
I’m just frustrated that so much of this DP has been anything but productive. You can call 17 pages of posts productive if you want, but so much of this has been either a pissing match or a set of distractions that I’d hesitate to call it that.
I wouldn't say all of it's been a pissing match in the slightest. Theres been a few posts here and there that seems intra personal between drafter and elminster, but to say there's nothing to behaviorally read into any of it is absurd. Also all the people posting between. It's willfully lazy to say there's nothing wrong, or that's just a convienent response to justify your lack of significant contribution.
I’m not particularly interested in addressing behaviors I do commonly and already know aren’t perfect for this game.
Having played with you in just about every game recently I do not think these are common behaviors. You can and have taken stances on players with much less content than this.
And I don’t know how I could be any clearer about how my posts weren’t contradictory
I didn't say contradictory, just fence sitting. You could go either way on him, and are generally seeming non plussed about either mislynching or policy lynching him. You'll go with the crowd right? Maybe not what you said, but your not really saying anything so that's the only interpretation I can make.
Who are they and why aren't you pressuring them then?
Because the only reason I tend to put pressure on people in DP1 is to get information, and at this point, I think we have enough information to be able to interpret what happens in the NP. Until then, I don't think getting more information does anything to further our cause, though it gives scum more known targets.
I wouldn't say all of it's been a pissing match in the slightest. Theres been a few posts here and there that seems intra personal between drafter and elminster, but to say there's nothing to behaviorally read into any of it is absurd. Also all the people posting between. It's willfully lazy to say there's nothing wrong, or that's just a convienent response to justify your lack of significant contribution.
Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I didn't say there's nothing to behaviorally read into the posts that have gone up, but enough of this has been focused on their infighting that I think it's entirely appropriate to call much of this a pissing match, and I think it's a little odd that you can claim this is 17 pages of grade A content that should afford me every opportunity to pick out scum. It's not.
Having played with you in just about every game recently I do not think these are common behaviors. You can and have taken stances on players with much less content than this.
Normally, when I've done that, it's actually sussed me because I tend to jump on and off of lynches, especially in DP1, on the basis of getting more activity or claims. Activity is above average, and we have more than enough claims. I'm not interested in getting more to interpret what happens in the NP. I've said this several times.
I didn't say contradictory, just fence sitting. You could go either way on him, and are generally seeming non plussed about either mislynching or policy lynching him. You'll go with the crowd right? Maybe not what you said, but your not really saying anything so that's the only interpretation I can make.
From your post #417: "I asked for reads yesterday and got a nothing post, and earlier today a contradictory fence sitting post." Yes, you did say contradictory. I started off nonplussed (appreciate your use of that term, btw), but I gave an informed decision nonetheless. I've straight up said on multiple occasions that I don't like lynching in DP1, and this is no different, but I provided reasons why I'd still consider it. I wanted to get other insights before voting because if I did vote, I would be seeking to lynch, something I've never committed to in a DP1 for a reason.