Inverse Reality Day Phase 1

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@Elminster
I was about to type that out now before I got sidetracked
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@ILikePie5
I said i don’t know the thematical split. The theme is inverse reality right? My character does some shitty things but Lunatic justifies it in a perverted way. That’s the theme but scum could have the same stuff
You were thinking about this wayyyy to hard xD
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iLikePie5- 2 /6- Speedrace, oromagi
Drafter- 1 /6- Greyparrot


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FWIW, Mafia is in a better position to figure out the theme themselves than town.
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I'm pretty sure I know the split.
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@oromagi
but that's not inverted.  Inverse reality would be scum=protagonists, no?
I think Town are antagonists that are actually good, or at least had a point.

Therefore scum would be protagonists that were actually bad or wrong.

Supa makes sense as Miller. Negan is a bad guy that a lot of people think has a point, but he really doesn't.

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Agree with the former part of drafters post. It may have something to do with bad but for the right reasons. 

It's def open to interpretation but it's leaning that way

So it could be protagonist are blindly good or good and serve no purpose.  Mafia will not claim protagonist either way so it's likely not worth analyzing. 


Antag vs protag 

What we want to look out for is a antag with a weird justification. 

But in that case I would think negan is hard town vs miller. Because most of his motivation is driven by doing what he has to do for survival. 

Supas claim just seems off but the fact he was willing to claim it and risk a cc if he was scum makes me feel better about it 




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@drafterman
I think Town are antagonists that are actually good, or at least had a point.

Therefore scum would be protagonists that were actually bad or wrong.
Nope, I don't fit this

It's literally just bad v good lol
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@ILikePie5
Please tell us any and all experience you’ve had with playing mafia whether online or in person
I have obviously had no experience whatsoever.  
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@ILikePie5
I just got here lol. I’m in for policy lynching millers if we don’t have an alternative target
Explain your theory on why millers should be policy lynched, in sufficient detail.
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I have obviously had no experience whatsoever.  
Sorry man, didn’t know it was you 😬
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Explain your theory on why millers should be policy lynched, in sufficient detail.
It’s a pretty safe claim for a scum to make. I don’t want a Miller at MYLO or LYLO with me. But like I said if we have have a better target that should take precedence.
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I knew it as soon as soon as I saw Supa's post.  So did everybody else except Pie, apparently.

Therefore, Pie is scum

VTL ILikePie5
If you know the thematic split then who’s scum lol. I know what the fuckin theme is lol
Oro: I know the theme split. Pie is scum.
Pie: If you know the theme split then who's scum?

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Bruh why the hell are we so set on lynching Pie over not being sure on the theme? I sometimes type out a half-developed thought every now and again. I feel like this is just carping on something insignificant. 

If Pie flips scum this'll look bad for me but we need a better read than that. 
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So your justification doesn't paint your character in a different light? Or justify their actions within the context of their movie/show?
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Anyways the theme split does look pretty set on antagonist town vs protagonist scum. No quarrel there
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Well, it sounds like we've made some headway on figuring out the theme and the potential split. While I won't reveal what it is, I am at least familiar with the show my character is from, even if I'm not familiar with the character. Seems to fit into the theme that's been discussed.
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I think Town are antagonists that are actually good, or at least had a point.

Therefore scum would be protagonists that were actually bad or wrong.
Nope, I don't fit this

It's literally just bad v good lol
I think that's interesting because my character is definitely a more 'shades of grey' character and TUF invested a lot of text in spelling out that complexity.

gollum  is def shades of grey

Magneto is def shades of grey

I think of Neagen (let's note Sup misspelled his character's name when claiming) as pretty much all black but I haven't seen last few seasons

If Warren claims Cersei, then that leans towards all black but Tyrion, Jaime, even Daenyrys are more shades of grey
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@whiteflame
Well, it sounds like we've made some headway on figuring out the theme and the potential split. While I won't reveal what it is, I am at least familiar with the show my character is from, even if I'm not familiar with the character. Seems to fit into the theme that's been discussed.
Most folks saw an obvious theme split once they saw Supa + GP post, but not you:

I can't say I'm aware of that, but I'll take you at your word. Not at all familiar with the theme.
You know the show but not the character so you are a TV show and probably a long running one with lots of character changes, I suppose.

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Player - [Character] / [Role] (link to post)

  1. oromagi
  2. elminster
  3. mistercrhis
  4. supadudz - Neagan / Miller (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241170
  5. greyparrot - Smeagol / Hider (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241213
  6. drafterman - ("I'm from a movie. If I say the movie it'll be obvious who I am. But I am a "villain") / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241242)
  7. coal
  8. speedrace
  9. whiteflame - ("My character is from Game of Thrones") / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592-inverse-reality-day-phase-1?page=2
  10. warren42
  11. ilikepie5 - Magneto / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241345
Let me know if I've missed anything.  I don't think I did, but I'm kind of tired and I've been working all day. 

Before I do anything, I have a couple of questions:  

@elminster - Who are you on DDO?  Have I played live mafia with you?  Who are you? 

@all - wasn't pie the one who VTL'd the confirmed townie as town in a life mafia game recently?  I feel like that was him.  

I also have a couple of observations:

We are not lynching an un-counterclaimed miller DP1; now, tomorrow or ever.  

Grayparrot is likely town. 

Supa is town. 

I would like everyone's thoughts on elminster.  I am particurlarly interested in what whiteflame, drafter, speed and warren think of elminster. 
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Player - [Character] / [Role] (link to post)

  1. oromagi
  2. elminster
  3. mistercrhis
  4. supadudz - Neagan / Miller (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241170
  5. greyparrot - Smeagol / Hider (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241213
  6. drafterman - ("I'm from a movie. If I say the movie it'll be obvious who I am. But I am a "villain") / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241242)
  7. coal
  8. speedrace
  9. whiteflame - ("My character is from Game of Thrones") / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592-inverse-reality-day-phase-1?page=2
  10. warren42
  11. ilikepie5 - Magneto / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241345
Let me know if I've missed anything.  I don't think I did, but I'm kind of tired and I've been working all day. 

Before I do anything, I have a couple of questions:  

@elminster - Who are you on DDO?  Have I played live mafia with you?  Who are you? 

@all - wasn't pie the one who VTL'd the confirmed townie as town in a life mafia game recently?  I feel like that was him.  

I also have a couple of observations:

We are not lynching an un-counterclaimed miller DP1; now, tomorrow or ever.  

Grayparrot is likely town. 

Supa is town. 

I would like everyone's thoughts on elminster.  I am particurlarly interested in what whiteflame, drafter, speed and warren think of elminster. 
I feel so dissed

also, I claimed my show was Karate Kid/Cobra Kai
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@ILikePie5
It’s a pretty safe claim for a scum to make. I don’t want a Miller at MYLO or LYLO with me. But like I said if we have have a better target that should take precedence.

Someone, though I do not recall who, mentioned your unique approach to lynching millers in live mafia a week or two ago.  Do you have other reasons, or is that the extent of it? 
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@oromagi
What was the post where you claimed? 
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also, Warren claimed Game of Thrones, not whiteflame
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whiteflame claimed show name would give away character
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Player - [Character] / [Role] (link to post)

  1. oromagi - ("My show is Karate Kid/Cobra Kai") / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241261)
  2. elminster
  3. mistercrhis
  4. supadudz - Neagan / Miller (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241170
  5. greyparrot - Smeagol / Hider (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241213
  6. drafterman - ("I'm from a movie. If I say the movie it'll be obvious who I am. But I am a "villain") / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241242)
  7. coal
  8. speedrace
  9. whiteflame - ("My character is from Game of Thrones") / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592-inverse-reality-day-phase-1?page=2
  10. warren42
  11. ilikepie5 - Magneto / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241345
Let me know if I've missed anything.  I don't think I did, but I'm kind of tired and I've been working all day. 

Oro pointed out to me that he soft claimed.  I missed it.  I think that was when my order from DoorDash arrived.  

Oops. 
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@Speedrace
BTW, may be a bit inactive tonight. @Speed and I were going to do a debate (he can confirm)
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Player - [Character] / [Role] (link to post)

  1. oromagi - ("My show is Karate Kid/Cobra Kai") / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241261)
  2. elminster
  3. mistercrhis
  4. supadudz - Neagan / Miller (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241170
  5. greyparrot - Smeagol / Hider (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241213
  6. drafterman - ("I'm from a movie. If I say the movie it'll be obvious who I am. But I am a "villain") / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241242)
  7. coal
  8. speedrace
  9. whiteflame
  10. warren42 - ("My character is from Game of Thrones") / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592-inverse-reality-day-phase-1?page=2
  11. ilikepie5 - Magneto / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241345
Let me know if I've missed anything.  I don't think I did, but I'm kind of tired and I've been working all day. 

Oro pointed out to me that he soft claimed AND that Warren was the person who claimed  that his charracter was from GOT.   

Oops. 

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@oromagi
Thank you 
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@whiteflame

Well, it sounds like we've made some headway on figuring out the theme and the potential split. While I won't reveal what it is, I am at least familiar with the show my character is from, even if I'm not familiar with the character. Seems to fit into the theme that's been discussed.

Yes, and for the moment I think we've seen enough claims.  

What are your thoughts on Elminster; both in this game, and in general?