Inverse Reality Day Phase 1

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@oromagi
Most folks saw an obvious theme split once they saw Supa + GP post, but not you:
I posted in the middle of work, and yes, I didn't have a chance to give it much in the way of thought beyond "TV and movie characters"

You know the show but not the character so you are a TV show and probably a long running one with lots of character changes, I suppose.
I honestly haven't watched this one before, but that may be the case.

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@MisterChris
Have I played live mafia with you? 
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Someone, though I do not recall who, mentioned your unique approach to lynching millers in live mafia a week or two ago.  Do you have other reasons, or is that the extent of it? 
Those are the reasons. I’d support my own lynch if I was Miller as well. It’s nothing personal, just the fact that it’s an easy fake claim for scum 
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Oh and Elminster is Mikal
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Those are the reasons. I’d support my own lynch if I was Miller as well. It’s nothing personal, just the fact that it’s an easy fake claim for scum 
The miller is only an easy fake claim for scum if they know that there isn't a miller in the game that will counterclaim them, and mafia do not often have that information.  

Consider how it would play out.  Mafia fake claims a miller.  Miller CCs.  One of them is lynched.  The other's honesty or lack of it is confirmed.  

I am not persuaded. 
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What are your thoughts on Elminster; both in this game, and in general? 
Wasn't too happy with the back and forth between him and Draft in a previous game, but that isn't happening, so I'm good with him so long as he makes it more about the game. In terms of his contributions here, he's behaving largely as I've seen him before: sussing people for minor statements as though they're clear scum slips. I find that he's often wrong with these, but it's DP1, and I suspect there will be more of that going around.
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@whiteflame
Can you confirm that elminister is Mikal? 
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Thank you

That would explain things so far . . . . 
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The miller is only an easy fake claim for scum if they know that there isn't a miller in the game that will counterclaim them, and mafia do not often have that information.  

Consider how it would play out.  Mafia fake claims a miller.  Miller CCs.  One of them is lynched.  The other's honesty or lack of it is confirmed.  

I am not persuaded. 
Your opinion. I’m voting Supa if there’s not an alternative.
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Couple of things . . . . 

1. Who are you on DDO?
2. Have I played life mafia with you?
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Yep. Elminster is Mikal.
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 Your opinion. I’m voting Supa if there’s not an alternative.

This is unhelpful.  It proclaims to mafia that you will follow a wagon on an un-counterclaimed townie, and therefore provides them with an incentive to build that wagon; and prevent any alternative wagon from forming. 
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Thank you.
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Nope, I don't fit this

It's literally just bad v good lol
I'm unsure if I got the theme wrong or if this is scum trying to obfuscate what the theme is in order to have more fake claim options.

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This is unhelpful.  It proclaims to mafia that you will follow a wagon on an un-counterclaimed townie, and therefore provides them with an incentive to build that wagon; and prevent any alternative wagon from forming. 
Then you just have more stuff to analyze. I don’t plan on no lynching this DP cause I’ve always been an advocate for lynching DP barring special games/mechanics. Arguing over this is a waste of time anyways.

What are your reads?
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@Speedrace
I think Town are antagonists that are actually good, or at least had a point.

Therefore scum would be protagonists that were actually bad or wrong.
Nope, I don't fit this

It's literally just bad v good lol
So you’re not an antagonist?
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As I previously indicated at the bottom  of posts I will now copy and paste . . . 

Player - [Character] / [Role] (link to post)

  1. oromagi - ("My show is Karate Kid/Cobra Kai") / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241261)
  2. elminster
  3. mistercrhis
  4. supadudz - Neagan / Miller (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241170) 
  5. greyparrot - Smeagol / Hider (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241213) 
  6. drafterman - ("I'm from a movie. If I say the movie it'll be obvious who I am. But I am a "villain") / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241242)
  7. coal
  8. speedrace
  9. whiteflame
  10. warren42 - ("My character is from Game of Thrones") / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592-inverse-reality-day-phase-1?page=2) 
  11. ilikepie5 - Magneto / ? (https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5592/post-links/241345) 
Before I do anything, I have a couple of questions:  

@elminster - Who are you on DDO?  Have I played live mafia with you?  Who are you? 

@all - wasn't pie the one who VTL'd the confirmed townie as town in a life mafia game recently?  I feel like that was him.  

I also have a couple of observations:

We are not lynching an un-counterclaimed miller DP1; now, tomorrow or ever.  

Grayparrot is likely town. 

Supa is town. 

I would like everyone's thoughts on elminster.  I am particurlarly interested in what whiteflame, drafter, speed and warren think of elminster. 

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I would like everyone's thoughts on elminster.  I am particurlarly interested in what whiteflame, drafter, speed and warren think of elminster. 
What are your thoughts on theme?
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I think enough has been said about the theme and decline to discuss it further. 
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@all - wasn't pie the one who VTL'd the confirmed townie as town in a life mafia game recently?  I feel like that was him.  
That was Disc, not me
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Would anybody attribute significance to the fact that Supa misspelled his character's name while claiming?  My experience is that it doesn't really indicate much.
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@oromagi
Supa may have been typing on his phone, but we can safely assume he wasn't copying and pasting.

Seems like if he was posting a fake claim, he would have copied/pasted.
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@oromagi
Would anybody attribute significance to the fact that Supa misspelled his character's name while claiming?  My experience is that it doesn't really indicate much.
I don’t think it matters. It’s Supa after all
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@drafterman
So your justification doesn't paint your character in a different light? Or justify their actions within the context of their movie/show?
No
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@oromagi
Would anybody attribute significance to the fact that Supa misspelled his character's name while claiming?  My experience is that it doesn't really indicate much.
I don’t think it matters. It’s Supa after all
I noticed this, and last time he did this he was scum lol
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So you’re not an antagonist?
I am, I'm saying Luna didn't try to make my character seem good
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I am, I'm saying Luna didn't try to make my character seem good
That’s scummy af lol
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@coal
You have not played with MisterChris from what I know
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I am, I'm saying Luna didn't try to make my character seem good
That’s scummy af lol
How :|
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I need to reread behaviors and such, but I think right now we are taking too much of a theme dive for DP1. We all know what the theme should be, so even if mafia were given fake claims (which I know they weren't relax), they know what the theme is now based on our talk and can now come up with fake claims