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What is the latest Republican proposal on healthcare? 

And does anyone else find it funny that conservatives are having an epic meltdown about their lack of access to twitter (which is completely fake because they're all over twitter) but not their lack of access to life saving treatments or medicines they can't afford? Like, if they believe the government ought to step in to protect their GOD GIVEN RIGHT to post on twitter, why don't they feel as strongly about lack of access to medical care?

Rand Paul acknowledges that likening a right to healthcare is slavery cuz if you have a right to something that requires other people, it means you have a right to other people's services and labor whether they want to serve you or not. Yet he has a problem with "political bias" dictating access to people's alleged right to speak to an audience online. That also requires other people's labor (software engineers, IT people, etc.) so who cares? It's their choice if they want to serve people, Rand.

Anyway this isn't the best analogy/explanation cuz it's early and I'm tired, but in general conservatives really seem to think their ability to post online is more significant than their ability to get insulin or other medications without going bankrupt.  Very strange what they want the government to regulate and ensure access to and what they think the market should deal with by itself. Libertarians are obviously a bit more consistent. Conservatives are just... like...the most bizarre people to me. They'd happily eat shit if I told them doing so would pwn the libs. 

Anyway this post is neither advocating for or against government healthcare.

I'm just curious what the latest, most comprehensive Republican advocacy is. 
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Anyway this post is neither advocating for or against government healthcare.
Join the rest of the highly developed world and provide for the poor. Pick a side.

I'm just curious what the latest, most comprehensive Republican advocacy is. 
Rich get richer and the poor can rot for all they care.
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My post doesn't discuss my position. That doesn't mean I don't have one. 

A lot of Republicans claim to be "anti elite populists" now so they're anti capitalist.  I don't know what the party's position on healthcare is these days. Do you?  
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in the last election, the republicans didn't even articulate official policy position, as is customary. they're approach was to rubber stamps everything trump said and did. trump said he wanted to cover everyone at a reasonable cost, and even though he was a compulsive liar, i believed him. someone like him sees the rest of the developed world giving better healthcare at half the cost to everyone, and the usa terrible. someone like trump wants to be best. trump's problem, is that he was s dufus on policy, and even if he wanted to improve things, he favored the party and the rich first. he sold out, and was a imbecile. 
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Obamacare was and remains the latest Republican health care plan-written by Bob Dole as counter to Hillary's healthcare proposal in '94.  Obama chose the Republican plan because he figured Republicans would never savage their own principles to score a few short term political points.  Boy, he did he read that room wrong.
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Obamacare was and remains the latest Republican health care plan-written by Bob Dole as counter to Hillary's healthcare proposal in '94. 
I totally agree that "Obamacare" was a republican plan. But once Obama pitched it they violently turned on it. Which brings us to the question posed in this thread. Which is what is their plan now. The answer is they don't have one. Their position on healthcare has been one of obstruction for over a decade.

They have no idea what to actually propose. And they are thoroughly stuck. The kind of solution they could actually agree to (ie one that funnels money to the rich and keeps the government from doing anything useful) is now taboo in the republican party. any suggestion they could possibly come up with would kick millions off of their healthcare, which they don't want to do. So they just rail against any solution the democrats suggest because they are incapable of suggesting anything without everyone realizing how much they hate poor people. 
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You won't hear any of these concerns on MSM. When DC power is threatened, then they will go back to pretending healthcare matters.
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Indiana Republican on America's poor: 'Just let them wither and die'

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You won't hear any of these concerns on MSM. When DC power is threatened, then they will go back to pretending healthcare matters.

Democrats love talking about healthcare because it's popular, even among Republicans. The GOP still has no plan as far as I know, so I do think Democrats want to talk about it and that's why they bring it up so often during media segments. Maybe you just don't watch enough media that features interviews with Democrats. Before Covid relief that was their number one talking point. I believe nearly 70% of Republican voters don't want to overturn the provisions of the ACA that protect people with pre-existing conditions. Even Trump was for that. So what are Republicans to do? The ACA or some kind of government healthcare is popular with Independents as well. 
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Sorry, I have been monitoring the opposition chatter on CNN airwaves. They are not talking about healthcare.

Covid is a far easier issue to scam the public with in regards to expanding the authority of Washington DC with scary lockdowns. It's easier to sell than convincing the public that poor people will die if you do not give Washington DC more power to stop it.

If it doesn't, then you can bet DC will fall back to the healthcare scam.
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You hear the drone constantly from Democrats, that Republicans don't care for the poor. How come then the poor do so poorly in democratic states? How long has Atlanta and Chicago been cesspools of porverty and misery? In LA today, almost  all sidewalk space is taken up by the homeless.

Yet under Trump and the Republican Senate, minority and female employment was the highest it had been in 60 years. Why does the reality never match the Democratic spin?

To a Democrat, the only possible healthcare is where wealth creators pay through the nose for those who refuse to work. Why does healthcare need to be socialized? I, and millions of Americans, don't want to pay for the abortions and gender re-assignment surgeries of snowflakes.

Create jobs, and the people will cover themselves. A socialist healthcare plan that bankrupts the country as it implodes is stupidity. Worse than the status quo. 
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How come then the poor do so poorly in democratic states?
please provide evidence the poor do better in red states. 

In LA today, almost  all sidewalk space is taken up by the homeless.
homeless people move to big cities, and especially big cities in blue states because there are more resources and they get punished and harassed by the government less. Basically, red states harass and punish homeless people until they flee to a blue state. 

yet under Trump and the Republican Senate, minority and female employment was the highest it had been in 60 years.
let me get this straight. Businesses are hiring more minorities and women, and you think we should say that is trump's doing? Why would trump have anything to do with that? What policies did he pass that would affect that?

Why does healthcare need to be socialized?
because non socialized healthcare has been tried for decades. And you know what the outcome is? Massively inflated costs. Hundreds of thousands of bankruptcies and alot of dead people who didn't need to die. 

A socialist healthcare plan that bankrupts the country as it implodes is stupidity.
lol you are aware that the US has some of the highest healthcare costs in the world right? Much higher than most countries with socialized medicine. So the idea that spending less on healthcare would somehow bankrupt the country is stupid on the face of it. 
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For someone who has lived in Ghana, you sure know nothing about poverty and capitalism.
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How come then the poor do so poorly in democratic states?
please provide evidence the poor do better in red states. 
There are fewer poor in Red States.

In LA today, almost  all sidewalk space is taken up by the homeless.
homeless people move to big cities, and especially big cities in blue states because there are more resources and they get punished and harassed by the government less. Basically, red states harass and punish homeless people until they flee to a blue state. 
Ever notice that liberals often claim that the poor can't leave so they suffer disproportionately? So the poor can or can't leave depending on the need of the liberal's argument. No one leaves their village home to be homeless in the city. People come to the city looking for jobs but liberal policies kill the economy so they either sell drugs, and you end up with a chicago, or they mooch off the govt and you end up with an LA.

yet under Trump and the Republican Senate, minority and female employment was the highest it had been in 60 years.
let me get this straight. Businesses are hiring more minorities and women, and you think we should say that is trump's doing? Why would trump have anything to do with that? What policies did he pass that would affect that?
Our boy can see a straight line from Trump to dead covid victims, and to "insurgents", but not to the people hired after Trump got rid of red tape for businesses, give corporations tax breaks to hire more workers, and reduced taxes on the middle class. Selective blindness anyone?

Why does healthcare need to be socialized?
because non socialized healthcare has been tried for decades. And you know what the outcome is? Massively inflated costs. Hundreds of thousands of bankruptcies and alot of dead people who didn't need to die. 
That what happened in blue states that played around with socialized medicine. For years and years, medicine was fine, till liberals decided workers should pay for everyone not working.

A socialist healthcare plan that bankrupts the country as it implodes is stupidity.
lol you are aware that the US has some of the highest healthcare costs in the world right? Much higher than most countries with socialized medicine. So the idea that spending less on healthcare would somehow bankrupt the country is stupid on the face of it. 
How would we spend less when every liberal loon out there wants us to pay for all immigrants, legal AND illegal, all elective surgeries related to gender and homosexuality, and all abortions inside and outside the country? RightNow, if healthcare is expensive, it's expensive to the consumer of that care. Your way would not only make it MORE expensive, but more expensive to people NOT consuming that care. How is that better?

Don't answer that. Liberals always think other people paying is "better".
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For someone who has lived in Ghana, you sure know nothing about poverty and capitalism.
I know about REAL poverty, not the lazy 1st world nonsense that passes in America for poverty. Ever seen African immigrants demonstrate against "poverty" in the US? 
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please provide evidence the poor do better in red states. 
There are fewer poor in Red States.
Please provide evidence of that. You are just throwing out random statements without supporting them. 

 No one leaves their village home to be homeless in the city.
that's not what I said. I said homeless people move to big cities. If you are homeless in a small town in a red state, there's a good chance you will starve to death or be relentless harassed by the police. So they move to a big city in a blue state where there are more resources to support them. It isn't that people are better off in red states. It is that they offload their problems onto blue states by being abusive. 

People come to the city looking for jobs but liberal policies kill the economy so they either sell drugs, and you end up with a chicago, or they mooch off the govt and you end up with an LA.
lol. Democrats are much, much better for the economy that republicans. So this is just a straight out lie. 

Our boy can see a straight line from Trump to dead covid victims, and to "insurgents"
the government passed policy (or lack thereof) that directly affected the pandemic. There is 100% a staight line between trump's covid policy failure and people dying. Trump called out insurgents with lies and egged them on until they committed treason. That is also a pretty straight line. 

after Trump got rid of red tape for businesses, give corporations tax breaks to hire more workers, and reduced taxes on the middle class. Selective blindness anyone?
what policies specifically do you think did this? If you think this is true, show me exactly what policies trump passed that affected this. But i'm guessing you are going to stay super vague because you don't actually know what trump did. 

How would we spend less when every liberal loon out there wants us to pay for all immigrants, legal AND illegal, all elective surgeries related to gender and homosexuality, and all abortions inside and outside the country? 
use the example of Canada, the UK or lots of other countries. They all pay less that the US for healthcare by a significant amount. 

RightNow, if healthcare is expensive, it's expensive to the consumer of that care. Your way would not only make it MORE expensive, but more expensive to people NOT consuming that care. How is that better?
lots of ways. one is group buying power. Hospitals and insurance companies work together to massively inflate prices because it is good for them. They charge WAY more than a procedure actually costs because the US health system both allows and encourages it. If there is a single payer system, they can't get away with that.

It also massively lowers administrative costs. Managing who has what insurance, what procedures they are and are not allowed to have, what doctor they can see and what doctor they can't etc. is a huge administrative task. It costs billions and billions of dollars to manage that. A single payer system removes all those costs. What doctor can they see? All of them. What is covered and what isn't? It is always the exact same. It would save huge sums of money. 

another way is by mitigating health issues. Lots of people avoid going to the doctor for minor stuff because it is expensive and they can't afford it. So they wait until the situation gets worse and they have no choice but to go. So what starts as a minor, manageable health issue turns into a critical care issue. Which is much more difficult and much more expensive to treat. If everyone went to the doctor when the issue was still manageable, it would be much cheaper and easier for the health care system.

Don't answer that. Liberals always think other people paying is "better".
everyone would pay into the system. It isn't other people paying, we are all paying. The point is that it would save billions of dollars while increasing the level of care. 
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I said homeless people move to big cities.
From where? Who's homeless in Cedar Falls Iowa? Do these broke homeless people walk to another state?

It is that they offload their problems onto blue states by being abusive. 
Pooh! If a conservative said that you'd say he hated the poor. But is that not what poor immigrants do to the US? Blue states have all these disincentives to work so you attract bums who only want to live off the govt dole.

Democrats are much, much better for the economy that republicans
We'll see shortly now that Sleepy and AoC are in charge. We won't even use the sinking blue states now begging for Fed money to stay afloat.

That is also a pretty straight line. 
To your TDS sure. But no straight line to economic success under Trump right?

...you don't actually know what trump did. 
Right. The best employment figures in decades, and economic growth above 4% (that Obama said was impossible) all happened by accident. 

They all pay less that the US for healthcare by a significant amount. 
They have fewer people Einstein. But have you seen the teeth of the British? Do you know Canadians come to the US for healthcare because wait times are too long in Canada? They pay less and get less. And do you know who pays? Their middle class. Through the nose.

lots of ways.
Do states with socialized medicine have lower medical costs? No. The reality must match the jargon HB, otherwise it's just gibberish. 

everyone would pay into the system. It isn't other people paying, we are all paying. 
Untrue. The poor can't pay. The boatloads of immigrants from peasant cultures Biden wants to let in can't pay. The antifa morons burning down cities can't pay. The African American masses trapped in Democratic slum cities can't pay. The dolts wanting gender re-assignment can't pay. The truck stop skank going for her 4th abortion can't pay. That leaves just me.

It isn't better, and Americans have said so over and over by, through their representatives, rejecting socialized healthcare. Most Americans do not trust the Democrats with their money. 
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From where? Who's homeless in Cedar Falls Iowa? 
homeless people. your question doesn't make sense. 

Do these broke homeless people walk to another state?
it doesn't cost a large sum of money to get on a bus. Why does the idea that homeless people have more than $0 confuse you?

Blue states have all these disincentives to work so you attract bums who only want to live off the govt dole.
that is just a way of saying that blue states take care of their people while red states try to punish them for being poor. 

To your TDS sure. But no straight line to economic success under Trump right?
what are you talking about? The government had lots of policy about covid. They had a task force about it. They failed really badly. Then people died. A toddler could connect those dots. 

You are saying that trump's policies caused companies to hire women and minorities. Which policies specifically did that? I keep asking and you keep not answering. 

Right. The best employment figures in decades, and economic growth above 4% ... all happened by accident. 
Obama was left an economy in shambles by the republicans before him. He turned it around. Trump inherited a booming economy. Why would anyone be surprised that this trend continued into Trump's presidency?

They have fewer people Einstein
lol we are talking about per capita. The US spends 5 times what the Canada does, per capita, on admin costs alone. Here is an article about it. And this is just for admin costs. 

Do you know Canadians come to the US for healthcare because wait times are too long in Canada?
there are certain procedures which do have long wait times, this is true. no one is pretending canada's system is perfect. It can also be improved. 

They pay less and get less.
nope, the level of care in both countries is pretty much the same. Canadians just spend WAY less and everyone gets healthcare. Americans pay WAY more and millions and millions of people can't get basic health care. 

And do you know who pays? Their middle class. 
everyone pays. And in canada they pay much less than in America. I'm not sure how you're not getting this. Health care costs in Canada are much lower than in the US. Canadians save alot of money on their healthcare compared to the US. 

Do states with socialized medicine have lower medical costs? No. The reality must match the jargon HB, otherwise it's just gibberish. 
It is a categorical fact that healthcare costs are lower in Canada and the UK, both of which have socialized medicine. I don't know how this confuses you.

Untrue. The poor can't pay. The boatloads of immigrants from peasant cultures Biden wants to let in can't pay. The antifa morons burning down cities can't pay. The African American masses trapped in Democratic slum cities can't pay. The dolts wanting gender re-assignment can't pay. The truck stop skank going for her 4th abortion can't pay. That leaves just me.
jesus christ, that is just one long, racist, xenophobic diatribe of hate and ignorance. 

It isn't better, and Americans have said so over and over by, through their representatives, rejecting socialized healthcare.
Socialized healthcare is popular. More than 50% of americans support it. The problem is that both political parties are heavily funded by medical companies so they have no intention of doing what is best for the american people. They do what is best for their donors. 

Most Americans do not trust the Democrats with their money. 
That's funny, because the democrats just won the presidency and the Senate, not to mention winning the house 2 years ago. So that statement is just obvious nonsense. Does reality occasionally reach you where you live?
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Mississippi is the nation’s poorest state, says the US Census Bureau . Most people earn around $39,680 a year. Maryland ranks as the richest state, where most people earn around $73,971 a year. In addition to Mississippi, the three poorest states include West Virginia and Arkansas.


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I said homeless people move to big cities.
From where?

your question doesn't make sense.
Lol. Ok.

it doesn't cost a large sum of money to get on a bus.
So a homeless person in Rock Falls ND moves to the big city knowing no one and having no money?

that is just a way of saying that blue states take care of their people while red states try to punish them for being poor
I don't think keeping people dependant on govt assistant is "taking care" of them. But thanks for the tacit admission that blue states have more poor. 

A toddler could connect those dots. 
Toddlers don't suffer from TDS. Did the NY governor cause any covid deaths?

Obama was left an economy in shambles by the republicans before him.
Lol. The Democrats usual done and dance.

He turned it around.
A growth rate under 2% is not "turning around" slick.

Trump inherited a booming economy. Why would anyone be surprised that this trend continued into Trump's presidency?
Democrats (including Obama) who predicted that Trump would crash the economy were surprised. Obama said Trump's claim that the economy would top 4% growth was insanity. Trump got 4.2. Trump got a stagnant economy from Obama.

...no one is pretending canada's system is perfect
One person is pretending it's better than the US system.

nope, the level of care in both countries is pretty much the same.
Untrue. This is just another talking point liberals float.

Do  AMERICAN states with more socialized medicine have lower medical costs? No.

Canadians save alot of money on their healthcare compared to the US. 
You spend less, you save more. But you GET less to.

jesus christ, that is just one long, racist, xenophobic diatribe of hate and ignorance.
Right, the old standby (racist) didn't take long to come out. When you said the poor abused the system in blue states, that wasn't racist right? If what I said is wrong, show how so. But the liberal's tactic of yelling "racist" at every fact they don't like will not be cuddled here. 

The problem is that both political parties are heavily funded by medical companies so they have no intention of doing what is best for the american people.
It's hard to see how you believe this as I watch you wax rhapsodic about Biden and condemn Trump for everything but the kitchen sink. Trump had a policy of putting the American people first. I liked that. Biden doesn't. I think that sucks. 
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Mississippi, West Virginia, and Arkansas have some of the highest happiness indexes of American states. The have some of the lowest suicide rates. They have fewer of their natives leave their of other states. They have lower crime rates. Their populations are growing. Money is only one of the criterions in which to judge the "richness" of a state.

Blue states, when shocked by reality into enacting conservative policies, do better economically.

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The left does care for the poor. So much so that they want to make everyone in America equally poor (except the ruling oligarch of course)
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Also, the fact that liberal cities have generations of the highest rates of homelessness while the elites in liberal power have tons of money shows that income inequality isn't a real problem to be solved. Just talked about and blamed on someone else.
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Check out this graph.


Guess which state has the least homeless rates out of all states? Yep good ole "backwards" Mississippi.

Which state is the 21'st worst? Maryland.
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Thanks GP!

Since FLRW can only post links and not debate points, we won't get his take on the stats GP offered. I would have loved to see him form a position.

Topics like these are just rife with politically correct fakery that the leftist MSM push constantly.