Right or Wrong Choice?

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    After all of the witnessing of “miracles & wonders” by hundreds of thousands of Jewish people and hundreds of thousands more hearing those wonderful sermons about selling your worldly goods to give  “poor” and buy swords, it appears that the short minded and forgetful Jews still couldn’t recognise a “messiah” when they seen and heard one in action. Or could they?

    The crowds, we are told were so desperate to watch this man Jesus work his miracles and wonders that they would climb trees to get just a glimpse of him or cut holes in the roof of the house just to get a better view and be nearer to him. Mark3:20 – Mark4:1 – Luke 7:11 – Luke 8:19 Luke 12:1. Thousands upon thousands had also travelled long distances too:

     “many people came to him from Judea, Jerusalem, Idumea, and the regions across the Jordan and around Tyre and Sidon”. Mark 3:7-9
    And it is said that just a glimpse of Jesus was enough to have the Jews“overwhelmed with wonder” and clamouring to greet him”. Mark9:14
    So to say he was `held in high esteem` doesn't even cover it does it.

    How then could it all suddenly be forgotten by thousands of people that had witnessed Jesus healing the sick  and making  dead people alive again on so many occasions? What about all those wedding guests that he had kept in booze all day, John2:1-11, had even they too forgot this “miracle”?

    Where were the five thousand and the four thousand that had heard the sermons spoken by the “son of god” himself and  who had fed every single one of them? Matthew 14:13-21, Matthew 15:29-39.

    Pilate asked them, "Which one do you want me to release to you: Jesus Barabbas, or Jesus who is called the Messiah?" Matthew27:17;

    “Barabbas,”they answered. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!? 

    Luke23:25 offers a little more information by telling us that:
    “He released the man [Barabbas] who had been thrown into prison for insurrection and murder, but he delivered Jesus over to their will”.


    So these ungrateful Jews- those he had actaully been sent  so save - it appears, preferred it that a murder was let loose amongst them to run the streets. 

    Why then did the multitude of Jews choose the murdering zealot Jesus Barabbas over the son of god and prince of peace Jesus the Messiah?Jesus after all, was the messiah allegedly prophesied about in the OT and recognise to be the messiah by non other than John the baptist,“the greatest prophet that was ever born of woman” Matthew11:8-11.

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    Was Pilate even capable of this dispensation? 
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    --> @Stephen

    Remember that  the Bible is a collection of venerable but still rather primitive legends.


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    --> @FLRW


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    YOUR UNGODLY QUOTE: "Remember that  the Bible is a collection of venerable but still rather primitive legends."

    Are you actually stating that when blatantly shown by me that Jesus was the number 1 serial killer of all time within the scriptures, that this fact is a "primitive legend?!"

    I will refer you to this revealing biblical passage relative to your quote above: “EVERY word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5) Therefore, Jesus' inspired words in this instance disagrees with your assessment that Jesus is a primitive legend, and therefore still stands guilty of being the #1 serial killer of this world, bar none!   BLASPHEME!


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    --> @Stephen
    are you asking why they killed Jesus?
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    --> @FLRW
    Remember that  the Bible is a collection of venerable but still rather primitive legends.
    So you are saying that the bible can be mostly dismissed?
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    --> @Dr.Franklin
    are you asking why they killed Jesus?
    That some end times preaching religious dissident was executed by the Roman government it is not unreasonable. It is further not unreasonable to assume it was for spreading dissidence. I don't have a problem with that part of the story. I'm not sure I would be as aggressive as Steve but I don't in principle agree with your position any more than he does.
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    are you asking why they killed Jesus?

    Nope.

    I am asking where were all those thousands of people that had witnessed his miracles and sermons, when it came to the crunch?  Read post one, Doc. #1



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    That some end times preaching religious dissident was executed by the Roman government it is not unreasonable.

     Correct. Especially one that had - by all accounts - accumulated a massive following and growing financial support from all quarters and that was presenting a threat to the status quo. 

    But this doesn't answer the questions, does it? 








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    So It appears then that the ungrateful Jews that had witnessed all of the miracles and wonders that are alleged to have been performed by Jesus had pleaded for the life of Jesus Barabbas a terrorist,  and had preferred that their own saviour be executed?  There has to be a good reason for this if this is what historically happened? 

    Not even the Pharisee who's daughter Jesus had brought back "from the dead" turned out show his support and  appreciation for what Jesus had done for him and his wife.
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    --> @Stephen
    they were vastly outnumbered in the province and some probably switched sides due to societal pressure on them

    that just my guess
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    the end times wasn't his main teaching
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    --> @Dr.Franklin
    the end times wasn't his main teaching
    In as much as we know what he might have taught at all l don't see any reason to object to this statement.
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    the end times were part of the nt writings and not the oral word of Jesus
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    --> @Dr.Franklin
    the end times were part of the nt writings and not the oral word of Jesus
    I'm not proposing what any hysterical figure actually said nor to what degree they are reflected in the NT.
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    whats wrong with the final judgement
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    --> @Dr.Franklin
    whats wrong with the final judgement
    What judgment is that?
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    they were vastly outnumbered in the province ...................... that just my guess

    So? Are you saying that every one of the thousands that had witnessed this wonder worker in action were cowards?  What would you have done , Doc? Would you have gone along to the trial and protest the innocence of Jesus and ask for his release?  Its a simply question Doc? 

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    --> @Dr.Franklin
    No parent or decent person should have to ask that  
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    --> @Stephen
    There probably aren't many jews here to answer you, but they can be stubborn. When Moses was in the wilderness with them, God gave them manna from heaven on the condition they did not store any up. Despite God literally raining the modern day equivalent of free pizza on the Jews daily, they still had little faith in him and hoarded manna. They were punished for this by the manna they hoarded rotting and God refusing to rain down more free pizza. 




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    Ask what?
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    o? Are you saying that every one of the thousands that had witnessed this wonder worker in action were cowards?  What would you have done , Doc? Would you have gone along to the trial and protest the innocence of Jesus and ask for his release?  Its a simply question Doc? 

    Is this even an objection or are you just curious? and they were there, it describes the women weeping as Jesus was getting killed.

    Im curious, what does this prove? Does this prove that the Bible is false or that the Jesus story is inconsistent? What
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    the final judgement in the Bible
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    --> @Dr.Franklin
    o? Are you saying that every one of the thousands that had witnessed this wonder worker in action were cowards?  What would you have done , Doc? Would you have gone along to the trial and protest the innocence of Jesus and ask for his release?  Its a simply question Doc? 

    Is this even an objection or are you just curious? and they were there, it describes the women weeping as Jesus was getting killed.

    You'er dogging the question , Doc.  And the women weren't even mentioned as being at the trial. The women , strangely,  wailed only after Jesus was relived of the cross by Simon the  Cyrene who just happened  to be returning to the city after a leisurely walk in the countryside- poor Simon.  And a handful of women does not a multitude of ungrateful followers make, Doc.



    Im curious, what does this prove? Does this prove that the Bible is false or that the Jesus story is inconsistent? What

    I think it proves that Jesus wasn't as popular with the Jews as Christians like to imagine him to have been. These wonders and miracles were obviously  not good enough for them to go along to the trial and ask, NO ! demand Jesus' immediate release,  and they were there to witness the miracles and wonders, wasn't they , Doc?

    Would you have gone along to the trial and protest the innocence of Jesus and demand for his release? 


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    There probably aren't many jews here to answer you, but they can be stubborn. 

    This goes nowhere in explaining the total lack of support of these hundreds of thousands followers that had come 2from miles around" and had  witnessed his "miracles and wonders".

    Tell me , who would you rather have walking among you,  a murdering insurrectionist criminal or a wonder worker that could heal your sick child and even bring them back to life?
    And while we  are on the subject of healing, can you explain to me why Jesus cured only a few lepers and not simply eradicated leprosy from the face of the earth altogether?