Jesus Wasn't Dead When They Took Him Down From The Cross

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    Yes even Pilate was amazed at how quick Jesus had “died”.  Mark 15:44
     
    And it was awfully convenient that he is said to have “died” just before he was about to have his legs broken.
     
    The Apostle John said that the two  crucified alongside Jesus were still alive six hours after they were crucified so “the soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other” to make sure they would die before the Sabbath.      John 19:31-34.
     
     
    Could the disciples simply have been wrong or mores the case duped into believing Jesus Was dead?  They had got it wrong on another occasion when they were convinced Paul was dead but wasn’t. Acts 14
     
    And there's not a mention of any of them being present at the crucifixion so how would they know either way. 
     
    Why then,did Jesus die so quickly on the cross? 
    Why did they spear his side if he was dead?
    Did Jesus even predict that he would be dead for three days?
     
    Christens like to latch onto what is written in Matthew 12:40 as some kind of “sign” or clue not to mention “proof” given to the Elders as to what lay ahead for him.  But they should read that closely, because it mentions nothing about death at all.
     
    Jesus – so say the gospels- was offered a drink of vinegar/wine on a sponge when he seemed to complain of thirst.Why he should then suddenly die after sucking on, or even sniffing this sponge and after saying few words, words which are also in contention? The thing about the vinegar soaked sponge is that if anything, it would have had completely the opposite effect on the human body.  It was used on slave galleys as a temporary stimulant to revive flagging rowers, it had the same effect as smelling salts.

     So again it appears just like all of these others gospels, it leaves gaping big holes in the commentary and we are left with yet another half story.

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    Aliens. Aliens did it. Only explanation.
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    Why then,did Jesus die so quickly on the cross?

    He was flogged and beaten mercilessly before he was hung. He also had nails through his hands and feet. I'd say he was likely in worse condition than the others being crucified.

    Why did they spear his side if he was dead?

    Why not? He was dead.


    Did Jesus even predict that he would be dead for three days?

    Off the top of my head, him talking about destroying the temple and rebuilding it in 3 days. Also, him referencing the "sign of Jonah", that as Jonah was in the belly of the fish for 3 days so must he be in the earth for 3 days and rise again on the 3rd day. Oh you mentioned that one at least.

    Well, if you don't think him being in a tomb for 3 days and coming out of it on the third day doesn't clarify what that means, what else can it mean?

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    So after Jesus didn't really die, but appeared to, did he get up and move to Kasmir or something? Open up a hookah bar? Did they have hookahs in kashmir back then?


    Aliens. Only explanation.
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    --> @Mopac
    Aliens. Aliens did it. Only explanation.
    Stop derailing my thread with your rubbish!!

    I'd say he was likely in worse condition than the others being crucified.

    It is not mentioned if or not the others were scourged , but I think we can safely say they were considering they had take part in a rebellion against Rome, you clown.

    Stephen wrote: Why did they spear his side if he was dead?

    mopac responded: Why not? He was dead.

    Then why? There was no need, he was pronounced dead. Tell me the explanation for the spearing after "death". Were the other two also speared?

    Off the top of my head, him talking about destroying the temple and rebuilding it in 3 days.
    Nothing to do with what I have asked.

    Read the question again you clown; "Did Jesus even predict that he would be dead for three days?"

     Also, him referencing the "sign of Jonah", that as Jonah was in the belly of the fish for 3 days so must he be in the earth for 3 days and rise again on the 3rd day. Oh you mentioned that one at least.

     I did, and especially for clowns like yourself and for a very good reason. I also said : 

    "you should read that closely, because it mentions nothing about death at all".

    So you have obviously not gone back and read the story of Jonah, like I advised, have you? That is because you have been brought up  to be a self righteous clown who doesn't understand his own scriptures. 

    Look >>> "“For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<    SEE NOTHING THERE AT ALL ABOUT JONAH BEING DEAD, IS THERE?

    And  the scriptures make it very clear that Jonah  was alive and praying inside this fish. LOOK>>>>>>From inside the fish Jonah prayed to the Lord his God.  He said: “In my distress I called to the Lord, and he answered me..<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<  you see ALIVE!!!  JONAH WAS ALIVE!!!!!!!


    So listen carefully,
     Just like Jesus wasn't dead when they took him down and placed him in a PRIVATE tomb owned by yet another of his rich friends, neither was Jonah when he was said to be in the belly of a fish.

    Learn your scriptures, you are a let down to your own beliefs. 
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    --> @Stephen
    For someone who doesn't hold positions that are taken seriously by scholarship of these texts, you sure do like to call me clown a lot.

    I dare you to argue the things you do in front of biblical scholars. Then maybe it will become apparent who is really being a clown.

    It's not nice to call people names. 


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    I dare you to argue the things you do in front of biblical scholars.
     I have done. For years.


    Then maybe it will become apparent who is really being a clown.

    Indeed, and it wasn't me.

    It's not nice to call people names. 

    Yes, Clown is so cutting a remark isn't it. I can only assume this will scar you for life and now your are in dire need of counselling.  But let me tell you.  It is exceptionally rude to attempt to derail a thread with clownish behaviour such as saying "aliens were involved with Jesus' crucifixion and disappearance.

    And you again have totally ignored the facts haven't you. You see when Jesus himself gave that "sign" in Matthew's gospel, he was not talking at all about dying now was he, YOU CLOWN!

    Look >>> "“For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<    SEE NOTHING THERE AT ALL ABOUT JONAH BEING DEAD, IS THERE?

    And  the scriptures make it very clear that Jonah  was alive and praying inside this fish. LOOK>>>>>>From inside the fish Jonah prayed to the Lord his God.  He said: “In my distress I called to the Lord, and he answered me..<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<  you see ALIVE!!!  JONAH WAS ALIVE!!!!!!!

    Learn your scriptures, you are a let down to your own beliefs. 
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    --> @Stephen
    Do you make balloon animals?

    I want a dragon.

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    Do you make balloon animals?

    I want a dragon.

    No. I make clowns out of people just like you.
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    --> @Stephen
    There a verse in the Bible that describes you perfectly... "professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" 
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    There a verse in the Bible that describes you perfectly...
    maybe , and there is this one:>

    "And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith" .1 Corinthians 15:14

    This actually translates as -   if  Christ hasn't risen I shall be very angry at all those who said., " I told you so, clowns".


    And you have totally ignored the facts haven't you. You see when Jesus himself gave that "sign" in Matthew's gospel, he was not talking at all about dying now was he, YOU CLOWN!

    Look >>> "“For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<    SEE NOTHING THERE AT ALL ABOUT JONAH BEING DEAD, IS THERE?

    And  the scriptures make it very clear that Jonah  was alive and praying inside this fish. LOOK>>>>>>From inside the fish Jonah prayed to the Lord his God.  He said: “In my distress I called to the Lord, and he answered me..<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<  you see ALIVE!!!  JONAH WAS ALIVE!!!!!!!


     SO, to repeat:

    "And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith" .1 Corinthians 15:14
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    --> @Stephen
    You are a fool. Sorry, but it's the truth. Countless Biblical scholars disagree with you. Why should anyone listen to you? Where did you get your Divinity degree? Oh. That's right. You don't have one. You are a ignorant, atheist troll. Sucks to be you.
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    You are a fool.
    Your opinion of me is irrelevant.

    Sorry, but it's the truth.
    You are entitled to your opinion. It matters not to me.


    Countless Biblical scholars disagree with you.
    And many do.



    Why should anyone listen to you?
    It is not compulsory and you are not obligated to. i don't force you and no one has dragged you here kicking and screaming .


    You are a ignorant, atheist troll.
    No. I am just asking for clowns like you, who have been led by the snout,  to explain my questions concerning these unreliable scriptures.



    Sucks to be you.
    I am  happy in my own skin. And  I am loved by my friends and family. 


    And you have totally ignored the facts haven't you. You see when Jesus himself gave that "sign" in Matthew's gospel, he was not talking at all about dying now was he, YOU CLOWN!

    Look >>> "“For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<    SEE NOTHING THERE AT ALL ABOUT JONAH BEING DEAD, IS THERE?

    And  the scriptures make it very clear that Jonah  was alive and praying inside this fish. LOOK>>>>>>From inside the fish Jonah prayed to the Lord his God.  He said: “In my distress I called to the Lord, and he answered me..<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<  you see ALIVE!!!  JONAH WAS ALIVE!!!!!!!

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    --> @Stephen
    The guards noticed Jesus was dead so there was no need to break his legs, when they speared his side, blood and water poured out, thus confirming his death.
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    The guards noticed Jesus was dead so there was no need to break his legs, when they speared his side, blood and water poured out, thus confirming his death.
    Read you scripture. He was pronounced dead before he was speared. There was no need to spear him, if indeed they did at all.
     And take note of what Jesus himself said>>
    Look >>> "“For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<    SEE NOTHING THERE AT ALL ABOUT JONAH BEING DEAD, IS THERE?

    And  the scriptures make it very clear that Jonah  was alive and praying inside this fish. LOOK>>>>>>From inside the fish Jonah prayed to the Lord his God.  He said: “In my distress I called to the Lord, and he answered me..<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<  you see ALIVE!!!  JONAH WAS ALIVE!!!!!!!
     
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    --> @Stephen
    Yes, people have been pronounced dead only to found actually alive and coffins sometimes show evidence of people being buried alive and waking up in their coffins , thus, it is prudent to confirm the death of individuals.
     Jesus was referring to the  timespan Jonah spent in the fish, not to the state of his health.
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    Jesus was referring to the  timespan Jonah spent in the fish, not to the state of his health.
    If that is true, then there was absolutely no need to even mention Jonah.


    Is all Jesus had to say was "  I will be in the tomb for three days". You see Jesus himself doesn't even mention death (or the state of his health) or says that he will be dead in the tomb either does he.

     "so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” 
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    Why then,did Jesus die so quickly on the cross?
    Because He had been tortured for hours before. If you had read the accounts, you wouldn't be ignorant.

    Why did they spear his side if he was dead?
    To see if He was really dead. See, they didn't know. Too dim to figure that out?

    Did Jesus even predict that he would be dead for three days?
    Yes. In the OT and NT.

    D'oh!!
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    Did Jesus even predict that he would be dead for three days?

    Yes. In the OT and NT


    No he simply said he would be in the earth for three days. Not a single mention of death .



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    No he simply said he would be in the earth for three days. Not a single mention of death .
    Because people live "in the Earth" right?

    Because the phrase "in the Earth" was not euphemism for being dead and buried.

    Your dimmness is profound.
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    Aliens. Only explanation.
    ROFL!!

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    --> @ethang5
    Jesus made a prediction in the OT? Who woulda thunk it.
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    Because people live "in the Earth" right?
    Just like they live in fish, bwuahahahahaha.

    Your dimmness is profound.
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    Because people live "in the Earth" right?

    No. People live  .....   ON ...... the earth you nauseating clown.

    Because the phrase "in the Earth" was not euphemism for being dead and buried.

    That is right!  He was alive when they took him from the cross.  As I have been saying all along, you boring tit!

    And neither was Jonah dead "in the  belly of whale" as he was said to be praying to his god. You cannot be dead and praying can you?  You stupid A hole

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    Lol, you're losing it Jed. Don't get so worked up.

    We know you're saying Jesus was not dead. We're saying you are an idiot for thinking so.

    The bible contradicts you. And no one claims Jonah was dead, not even the bible. Stop arguing against what no one has claimed. It makes you look like a moron.

    OK, now we've heard you. You think Jesus was not dead. We dismiss you as an idiot. The bible is true.

    Anything else?