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@ebuc
The primary goal of KayKayKay is killing of people of color.
I'm not sure this is strictly "true".
There is something that doesn't make sense to me
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@3RU7AL
I'm not sure this is strictly "true".
Ok then non-strictly it may be and there may exist other groups that that is there primary goal.
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@3RU7AL
In April 1975, the Khmer Rouge overtook Cambodia’s capital, Phnom Penh, toppling a U.S.-backed, right-wing government. The insurgents were driven by Marxist ideology and their army was led by a man called Pol Pot, who had earlier lived in France and became a member of the communist party there. Upon returning to his homeland, he quickly rose up the ranks of the country’s clandestine communist movement.
When the Khmer Rouge took power in 1975 (known in the country as Year Zero), millions were immediately sent to work in labor camps in the countryside, on the idea that this was a step toward the creation of an agrarian utopia. Mass killings primarily targeted the middle class and intellectuals — such as doctors, lawyers, journalists, artists and students — as well as ethnic Vietnamese and Cham Muslims. Private property, money, religion and traditional culture were abolished, and the country became known as Democratic Kampuchea.
The death toll during that period wiped out up to one fifth of Cambodia’s population at the time.
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@Greyparrot
Sure, I get that.
What I don't understand is why you think Marx ever endorsed mass murder and the elimination of all money.
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@n8nrgmi
communism is about living in commune. even if its flawed, the essence is plausible.
Communism is about having the state run everything and killing people who disagree. According to Marx in The Communist Manifesto, what is the relationship between revolution and violence? - eNotes.com states that communism is a violent ideology. The idea was very violent, as 71 million people died in it's name.
the KKK was a hate group, who murdered people. big difference.
The KKK did not kill nearly as many people as communism did. You don't judge an idea by it's intentions. You judge an idea by its results.
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@FLRW
And as for capitalism, 100 million Indigenous people in the Americas were killed during the European colonization for the propagation of American capitalism
Most of these people died because of disease and I don't think the number was at 100 million. Otherwise, North America pre colonization would have been comparably crowded to Europe was at that time, since Europe had roughly 100 million residents then too.
as well as millions of African people that were enslaved as property to be profited off of by capitalists in the West
Slavery was in the past, and it's not what modern capitalists advocate for. Modern communists on the other hand, want to copy Karl Marx, who advocated for a violent revolution. Moreover, the KKK does not advocate for slavery and they deny advocating for slavery on their website.
How many people have been killed by capitalist sanctions?
Capitalism advocates for free trade.
How many people have been killed in capitalist wars?
Less than the number that have died in communist wars, because being pro war is not the same thing as being pro capitalist. War is big government. Capitalism relies on small government.
How many people have been killed by capitalist dictators like Pincohet?
Pinochet was right wing, but he was more authoritarian than libetarian. Capitalism relies on mutually consenting people trading their goods and services with one another in a mutually consensual way. Moreover, even if capitalism has committed genocide in the past, it's okay to advocate for capitalism.
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@oromagi
Communism means local people own their own local means of production without any consideration of class, currency, or state- a kind of anarchist economic utopia.
This is a primitive economy; an economy with no currency. You need a common currency to facilitate trade.
Russian dictators killed those tens of millions, not communism or any other ideology.
The dictators killed those tens of millions because they fell in line with communist ideology, which is to kill all the capitalists.
I've never met a real communist (someone who both understands what communism means and thinks it is a practical, modern economic strategy) on this or any other site.
Everyone on this thread that is saying communism is a good ideology is a communist. The right denounces Nazism(while allowing it to exist under the 1st amendment) and since they denounce Nazism, they aren't Nazis. Most liberals don't denounce communism.
Most Americans would prefer starvation to slavery.
I don't think this is accurate, as starvation is more painful than almost any labor.
So, you can say, "I support racism"You can say, "I support the Klan"You can't say "let's kill black people"
Wylted got banned because he according to his ban was, "Repeatedly glorifying hate groups"(Wylted (debateart.com)) among other things. If you glorify Rand Paul, you support Rand Paul. Hate groups would be like the KKK. You shouldn't be banned for supporting the KKK, or whatever hate group he supported. Even you said, "You can say, "I support the Klan"".
There is no objective, sensible opinion in the world that would call the idea of local ownership by local small govt. worse than the idea of executing black people because they won't stay slaves.
You don't judge an idea by it's intentions; you judge an idea by its results. The results of communism resulted in 71 million people dead, entire nation's economies destroyed, and hundreds of millions of people starving in the streets. The results of KKK lynching people results in a few thousand black people dead and a few million black people segregated (which isn't as bad as starving). The KKK is less extreme than communism, so if communism is allowed on DART, so is glorifying the KKK.
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@zedvictor4
Communism is the perfect utopian ideology.But unfortunately communism is also a fundamentally flawed ideology, that fails to take human nature into account.
You judge an idea not by it's intentions, but by its results.
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@3RU7AL
You're conflating AUTHORITARIANISM with COMMUNISM.
Communism is fiscally authoritarian, since it wants a 100% wealth tax and a 10)% income tax.
There are many different types of COMMUNISM (not all of them subscribe to an AUTHORITARIAN hierarchy).
AnCom is not small government, it is communism. Ancom people want to abolish all private property and they want a 100% wealth tax and a 100% income tax. They want the government involved with everything, while they advocate for no government. Ancoms are an oxymoron.
VIGILANTE EXECUTION is MURDER.
The KKK killing 4000 black people is not as bad as a communist government killing 71 million people.
Not all KayKayKay factions (denominations) advocate for violence.Not all KayKayKay factions (denominations) are responsible for the actions of some KayKayKay factions (denominations).In the same way that not all Christians are responsible for the actions of Torquemada.
You punish the KKK people that commit violence in the name of their secular ideology, you punish the christians that commit violence in the name of their religious ideology, but given that most Klansmen and most christians don't want to kill anybody, live and let live. Don't ban any political speech.
(IFF) you want to express your opinion without restriction (THEN) start your own debate website or create your own discord channel.
I don't know how to do this.
The mods can make whatever arbitrary rules they wish.
I don't think their rules are consistent and they should strive for consistency.
A private entity restricting your speech is NOT a violation of the United States Constitution
There are 2 types of private entities; publishers and fourms.
Publishers can post whatever content they want, and they are responsible for their content. If they say something that is victim producing, they can get sued. PragerU is a publisher. They don't have to allow left wingers to speak their mind. Vox is also a publisher. They don't have to let conservatives speak their minds.
Fourms have to be open for everyone to speak their minds. If something objectionable gets said on the fourm, the site is not in trouble.
DART's moderators want the protections of a form while having the filtering/censorship powers of a publisher. They can't get both.
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@RationalMadman
Do note that the term 'Communism' when Marx used it wasn't what it has come to mean and represent now.
I think it kinda does. Name 1 difference between marx's communism and modern communism.
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@3RU7AL
The purposeless massacres perpetrated since the June and October events, the tedious offering of sacrifices since February and March, the very cannibalism of the counterrevolution will convince the nations that there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror.
Vae victis!
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@3RU7AL
Marx told the oppressed to eat the rich.
Khmer Rouge literally did that.
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@Greyparrot
Would you call the French Revolution a "Marxist Uprising"?
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@Greyparrot
Firstly, people like Stalin subverted the democratic practices of the Soviet Union to retain power as they believed only they could lead communism to victory.
Secondly, all the revolutionaries completely ignored the part when Marx said Capitalism is essential before evolving to Socialism and then Communism. They tried to bypass the industrial capitalism stage and move straight to communism.
Thirdly, whilst Marx did support violence, it was only allowed through necessity. Marx knew that capitalists would try to subvert the transition to communism in democracy and advocated a violent revolution if necessary.
Blaming the ideas of Marx for the actions of Pol Pot is like blaming the ideas of Jesus Christ for actions of Tomás de Torquemada.
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@3RU7AL
Did French peasants seize the property of the rich?
Or were they just protecting their own land and own property?
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@3RU7AL
Blaming the ideas of Marx for the actions of Pol Pot is like blaming the ideas of Jesus Christ for actions of Tomás de Torquemada.
I blame Jesus for assigning a head of his Church. Theocracies are brutal.
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@3RU7AL
Modern Marxism.
If you are labeled "rich" by a Marxist government, you have no property rights.
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@TheUnderdog
Fourms have to be open for everyone to speak their minds. If something objectionable gets said on the fourm, the site is not in trouble.
You don't seem to understand how SECTION230 works.
As it currently stands, public postings can be arbitrarily moderated by hosts.
SECTION230 protects the host from liability.
SECTION230 does not protect the posters from moderation.
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@Greyparrot
Did French peasants seize the property of the rich?Or were they just protecting their own land and own property?
Do you understand the definition of "peasant" is basically "NOT-a-land-owner"?
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@3RU7AL
Do you understand the definition of "peasant" is basically "NOT-a-land-owner"?
So it was a Marxist revolt?
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@3RU7AL
If anything, France is an example that Marx had it bassackwards.
You need a Marxist revolt as a precursor to a Napoleonic type code that establishes universal property rights.
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@Greyparrot
Modern Marxism.If you are labeled "rich" by a Marxist government, you have no property rights.
Do you understand that "your property" can be seized at any time and for any reason?
And for all the barking about "that's not legal" they then explain exactly how it IS legal.
It's all great when corporations get special legislation to protect them from liability for killing people downstream.
But when unions stage a protest that lasts for a day at some random farm, that's a WAY BIGGER PROBLEM!!!
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@Greyparrot
Do you understand the definition of "peasant" is basically "NOT-a-land-owner"?So it was a Marxist revolt?
French Revolution: 1789
Karl Heinrich Marx: 1818
Do you understand that "your property" can be seized at any time and for any reason?
In a Marxist society, sure.
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@3RU7AL
But when unions stage a protest that lasts for a day at some random farm
You misspelled "on"
"At and on" are the fundamental differences between Marxism and Capitalism and universal property rights.
The "protest" was funded by elite farmholders exploiting loopholes in the law that give no property rights to their competition. California is riddled with laws that have exemptions instead of universal property rights. The elites in California have the strongest property rights of all. Why do you think they are there?
Why do you think the Middle -Class with no access to equal property rights are fleeing California?
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@TheUnderdog
Do note that the term 'Communism' when Marx used it wasn't what it has come to mean and represent now.I think it kinda does. Name 1 difference between marx's communism and modern communism.
So, in case you're confused the word 'Communism' became redefined by the right wing (and now the general world as a whole) to mean the violent and tyrannical enforcement of severely Socialist policies.
The term 'Socialism' came to mean the more passive idea behind it.
Originally Marx saw Socialism as the period that leads into anarchy where we share and care (which is what he saw as true Communism) but the term was altered.
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@3RU7AL
French Revolution: 1789Karl Heinrich Marx: 1818
France is an example that Marx had it bassackwards.
You need a Marxist-type revolt as a precursor to a Napoleonic type code that establishes universal property rights.
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@RationalMadman
Originally Marx saw Socialism as the period that leads into anarchy where we share and care (which is what he saw as true Communism) but the term was altered.
And why should I be forced to care for my neighbor? That's just like making it mandatory for people to spend all their excess money on sponsoring children. (As a metaphor) Taxation is Theft, just like someone stealing your money to pay for sponsoring 3rd world children is theft.
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@Greyparrot
The "protest" was funded by elite farmholders exploiting loopholes in the law that give no property rights to their competition. California is riddled with laws that have exemptions instead of universal property rights. The elites in California have the strongest property rights of all. Why do you think they are there?Why do you think the Middle -Class with no access to equal property rights are fleeing California?
There is no such thing as "private property" in the united states.
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@TheUnderdog
Taxation is Theft, just like someone stealing your money
You don't "own" money.
It's a medium of exchange based purely on debt.
The taxes you're so mad about are necessary in order to keep the currency from inflating out of control.