Fairy Tail Mafia DP1

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I recommend Pie's partners bus. There's no saving him now.
Have you ever considered that I don’t have any scum partners because I’m town? I’m gonna laugh when I flip town. You’re just gonna say I was acting scummy to get rid of the blame. I can already imagine it lmao
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Oro, I provided you multiple pieces of evidence to lynch Pie. Why are you ignoring these?
I am missing these.  Can you summarize?
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Oro, I provided you multiple pieces of evidence to lynch Pie. Why are you ignoring these?
No you haven’t lol. You’ve just said Post this and that means Pie is scum. Why do those posts indicate I’m scum?
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Pie = scum because: awkward pointless questions, attempt to discredit me despite my reputation, awkwardly asking others to read my behavior instead of analyzing it himself.
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You don't know me well enough to know what I think as scum or town. I don't understand why you presume things about me but if you presume I think like a normal player then your reads will always be running on a faulty compass.
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Posts are pieces of evidence. They speak for themselves.

Explanations are for those with cloudy eyes, unable to see the obvious.
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I always hunt for third party if the mod doesn't rule them out, always. They are more dangerous than scum because they can hard towntell by certain moves at times.
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well TP is scum in a technical sense, when I say scum there I mean mafia
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Pie also wanted to waste our time with MC's role. With no scumhunting objective whatsoever.

Scum waste our time. Town scum hunt. It's clear which one Pie's doing.
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RM, please link am example of this from your most recent games.
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I'd be down for the WF bandwagon btw, if noone else scumreads Coal.

I agree completely with you about the pointlessness of forcing a NL with the test on MC (I am assuming the only way to test it that we'd agree to is bw on him -2 vs NL and if NL doesn't go through with 5 votes instead of 6, including his, then we hammer him instead).
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Pie, what's your read on RM & Oro?
I have an FoS on RM, it’s been months since I played with him. From what I can remember, he was very aggressive with theories in my 13 Reasons Why Mafia game when he was scum. It seems like the same thing here with the TP mentioning.

I lean town on Oro. He already soft claimed which is a big part of his town meta. When he’s scum he rarely tries and just ends up ghosting or putting minimal effort. I don’t see that at this stage in the game.
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RM hunting third party is scummy as hell, though. That's how scum thinks.

On RM, I agree with this, from the perspective of what town objectively should and should not be doing.  There is no basis why Town would be hunting third parties at this time.  

But subjectively, I'm not so sure.   I don't think he understands what he's doing.  He has contributed less than nothing to the game so far.  But he seems to think he's scum hunting.  His intentions seem to align with the town, though his actions do not.  

This is my issue with Oro:  the circumstances around his willingness to "trade" characters with me suggests an informed perspective.  

I'm fine with lynching oro, pie or RM (in that order).
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Pie also wanted to waste our time with MC's role. With no scumhunting objective whatsoever.
It’s not “wasting time” if it takes two seconds to confirm. It’s always better to be safe than sorry.

Scum waste our time. Town scum hunt. It's clear which one Pie's doing.
I’m gonna laugh at you so hard when you see that I’m town
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So whiteflame is scum? Everyone agrees?
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Pie also wanted to waste our time with MC's role. 

So did Oro.
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We are not lynching whiteflame.  He's not online on Facebook and he isn't active elsewhere. He isn't hiding.  He's doing other things. 
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Okay, so I guess Coal is town. That's a helpful starting place to decide next steps.
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I haven't played on this site in 7 months, don't like mafia too much and the crowd can be toxic, I should only play when I got enough spare time and the right mindset.

This had no TP but this is a much better game to display the dynamic between Pie and me going very wrong when we're both Town:

I admit my general temperament is calmer now than vs then but that really doesn't mean much, feel free to read me based on logic I use vs then (I was already 'calmer' then vs my previous game).

Now I will show you a game where I was lynched Day 1 as town, you can say I played it shit if you wish to but please read the logic I use:

Read the 'game over chat' to know a secret third party read  I had during D1 that I didn't reveal during it (because it would only help scum and the third party, not town, I wanted scum to accidentally kill the TP which I think happened, I don't fully remember the game):
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We haven’t even heard from Earth, Lunatic, and Speed. Why don’t we actually wait till everyone checks in

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Also to see an example of my scum play (I had very weak teammates, if you want a justification for my hard gambit):

See here:


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Pie likes wasting time...
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So are you unwilling to provide actual reads for the players in this game? 

I asked you to do so at 124, after you clarified your prior scheme was illusory.  

To understand where you're coming from, I need to know where your head is at.  You're not providing that information.  I do not understand why.

Do you feel you don't have enough information to form reads on players that have posted so far? 
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It will take a while for me to put my two cents in. So scumhunt without me.
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I did townread Pie in that game, it goes wrong later on, that's not a scumslip from  me as I really didn't reread those games before posting the links. I just remembered that about the poker game right now.


This DP is the best example of the dynamic
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I'll be reading RM's games tomorrow night, and we can go from there. 
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Pie likes wasting time...
It’s called making sure our flanks are protected.
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Post 144. Earth is scum.

Vote Earth

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Pie, you gotta break open from your cage. Learn to see.
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lol ... if he was scum though, would he really be so brazen?