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Today, I felt an irresistible call to dedicate myself to the Lord. I’m a disciple of Christ as of today- not by my own strength, but by His alone.

I understand that I will be congratulated by some and ridiculed by others for this decision, but it doesn’t matter. I have faith. 
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Philippians 4:13 "I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me."
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amen
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@MisterChris
Your recent posts on the religion forum were making me wonder about that. Glad to hear it.
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Familial and peer pressure can have that effect on someone.

Eventually you'll realise what you experienced was merely a need to feel relaxed and stop opposing the pressure that was pushing you to conform.

That's not something anyone is truly immune to, no matter how headstrong and introverted, the pressure does hit us all.
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By the way, your profile still lists your religion as Pastafarianism.
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Why?
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I'm curious about that as well. What led you to this decision?
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@MisterChris
Well congrats on the self-discovery, even if I think your conclusion you've drawn from the experience is false, I still think the experience is important to you. 
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What led you to this realization? 
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@MisterChris
Hey. If it passes the time of day, and you don't bother others unduly with it.


I personally have other things to do.


Nonetheless, what I would say is:
If there is a GOD, then there is only one GOD, and we're all dedicated to it anyway, whether we like it or not.....And a reasonable GOD wouldn't want to bother us unduly.


Trouble is though.....We've absolutely no real proof, that there is a Christian GOD......Only a loosely translated and transcribed book of Arabian myths and legends.


And of course, other versions of the GOD principle, are available.
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Thank you. I'm happy as well. And a bit shocked at my own belief frankly. 
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By the way, your profile still lists your religion as Pastafarianism.

ah, will change that. Thanks
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Why?

I'm curious about that as well. What led you to this decision?

What led you to this realization? 
Now that... that requires a longer answer. Let me get through Latin class and I'll answer

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I appreciate that. 
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Mmhm, yelling at people because they're Christian isn't gonna convince anyone of anything, plus I acknowledge that religion can be individually helpful for people-so no reason to do that. 
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Well done. No one said it would be easy. Christ said [in effect] it would be worth it.
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Congratulations. It's always nice to find where you feel comfortable spiritually. 
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So I've been asked to speak on why I am now a Christian... 

It's very difficult to answer this (satisfactorily) with concision, but it more or less comes down to the immense force of the Holy Spirit drawing me to God. This is why I said "not by my own strength, but by His alone." I agree with the Calvinist doctrine that head knowledge and a half-hearted "eh this is probably true" alone is not sufficient to be saved. Why? Because without the Holy Spirit we are dead spiritually, and we do not WANT to be saved nor do we have true faith. I felt the Holy Spirit tugging on my heart for weeks, and it grew to a crescendo this past Sunday. At that moment, giving myself to Christ seemed irresistible to me. Lord knows I would have found some excuse to put off the decision otherwise, I am the most reluctant convert there ever was. It's extremely difficult to describe. 

Anyway, I have followed the "head knowledge" route all my life until this point. I grew up in a Christian family, and have known the tenets of the faith for a long time, but I never truly BELIEVED in them nor did I really desire to up until now. I've always taken an intellectual interest in this stuff though, especially since I realized that eternity could hang in the balance. When I was taught Darwinism and Old Earth Theory it conflicted with the hyper-literalist interpretations of scripture I was brought up on, and for a long time I've been an agnostic because of it. I've spent a long time researching into arguments for and against the existence of God, the divinity of Christ, the reliability of Scripture, the relationship between Scripture and science, interpretations of Genesis and other passages, etc. I could never resolve the conflicts in my mind until recently. There are questions that I still don't know (and may not ever know) the answers to. But I've been granted the gift of faith by God. 

Now, this isn't to say there aren't solid, rational reasons for belief. There are plenty.

  • The Cosmological Argument (why is there something rather than nothing? You must have a cause outside of space, time, and matter to create space, time, and matter)
  • The Teleological Argument (there is overwhelming, inescapable evidence of fine-tuning and design by an intelligent source)
  • The Argument from Abiogenesis (intelligent scientists in expensive laboratories can not create life after decades of trying. Why should we expect unintelligent, natural forces to accomplish what they couldn't?)
  • Laws of Morality, Logic, Math, Physics, etc. (A purely naturalistic world has no notion of transcendent law)
  • Consciousness (The human consciousness is inexplicable by science)
  • Unexplainable truths... the world is beautiful, and I stand in awe of it. I enjoy music. I love stories. I laugh. I dream. I love. God's creation is tainted by sin, but the remnants of the perfect world in which God created many things for us to enjoy remains. 
  • Prophecies in Scripture fulfilled (there are some insane mathematical calculations that show how improbable this was aside from divine guidance)
  • The nature of Scripture itself (dozens of writers over thousands of years, talking about the same story)
  • Early, eyewitness accounts of Jesus that can be corroborated by extra-Biblical sources (Especially Luke, the man included historical details that eyewitnesses only could have known. Also, most of the gospels contain details that are just SCREAMING to be contradicted by critics if they were false. Why did the Pharisees explain away the empty tomb with theft? Because the tomb WAS empty.)
  • The story is unembellished and honest, portraying the events in great detail (and to the great embarrassment of the disciples). If I was getting together with my buds to create a giant lie in order to accomplish my goal of getting myself martyred, I wouldn't weave a tale that depicted me as being utterly stupid (failing to grasp Jesus' words), a coward (I hide as the women investigate Jesus' tomb, I deny my Lord 3 times after swearing I would not), careless (me and the bois fell asleep on our Lord in his time of need), and unbelievable (the story defies Jewish expectations of what the Messiah would be. Not the type of story you concoct when you want Jews to believe you). 
  • The fact that these men were martyred for their beliefs, when they would be in the unique position of knowing whether the faith was based on a lie. No one dies for a lie, especially not one that brings them NO benefits. The Watergate lies lasted a measly 2 weeks. Imagine how much quicker the apostles would have cracked under pressure of death if this were a lie? These were the same men that cowered in fear after Jesus' crucifixion while the women went to Jesus' tomb. 
  • Personal experiences. What I felt and continue to feel is real, and that is enough for me to believe. It's not just me either, look at the millions the faith has affected and changed. 
  • much more...
This and more is why I believe. 
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@MisterChris
Thanks for the detailed answer! It's really encouraging to hear.
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@MisterChris
  Interesting, I was also raised in a christian home, and studied this stuff for years, but came to the opposite conclusion. Are you interested in debating any of these topics? I am prepared for all of them.
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Maybe at some point. I'm taking a small break from the debate stage just to get my bearings on schoolwork and to read my Bible and other literature. My graduation approaches though, and we will be able to debate soon. 
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@MisterChris
Excellent, just let me know. Like I said, I'm willing to tackle any of these reasons with you.

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@zedvictor4
Hey. If it passes the time of day, and you don't bother others unduly with it.
Zed, Is'nt this a similar rational for those who refuse to get a Co-V-2 vaccine?

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Sure...It's a good rationale for a lot of things.