So souls can't be tortured, then?
First of all, who is torturing them? you know I don't believe God tortures souls right? so lets get that out of the way. Souls experience bad things if they put others through bad experiences, and there's many ways that can happen.
Next, what I was referring to above was specifically regarding the usage of the PHYSICAL body, not the spiritual body, or spirit form. Consciousness itself cannot experience pain because it is formless, pain is only relevant where there is an embodiment that can experience both pain and pleasure. In the physical world, the nervous system was created as a means of creating the exposure to sensations on a physical level.
Let me say this though, that the soul itself is also distinct from the spirit bodies, and so the subtle bodies can also experience forms of feelings...I'll explain below.
How do they experience pleasure?
Number one, when you leave the physical body you will be present within an energetic subtle body where there is still a high form of sensation, perhaps different from the physical body but still present within your experience. The vibrational quality of the subtle body exists at a much finer and higher frequency than that of the material earthly body which is far more dense and limited. The exact anatomy of this energetic body is probably somewhat of a mystery at least in this world, however I believe there is still a tangible energetic frequency that we experience. Because of the lightness of the spirit, the physics change drastically as your spiritual body can travel and move multidimensional.
Now having said that, sensations are not the only thing we experience and the soul being an eternal reality one can inhabit some dark places within creation depending on its Karma and one doesn't need to "feel" to have terrifying experiences. But like I said I'm almost certain the subtle body experiences sensations on an energetic level without a physical body. Pleasure comes in many different forms, not just through a physical nervous system but some of the energetic qualities of sensation in your spirit body will probably be euphoric and unlike anything you're used to. Not to mention the places of creation on other planes would shock you, the beauty is unreal. I've seen spiritual beings and they are fantastic, and I haven't seen a whole lot.
Actually the physical world is the outermost layer and probably the least of what exists in terms of ability, beauty and pleasure. There's colors, planets, creatures, landscapes and beings like you've never imagined and the experiences are far greater. Most people never consider the Creator as an eternal creative force and what the implications of that are, lets just say the Creator has been very busy for a long time lol, there are no limits to what can exist.
As we discussed before, creation is made up of layers and when you leave the body and are present within the astral world that is only but one other universe, and there are several. As you leave each plane of existence your soul has a layer that corresponds with that world so that you have a "body" to interact within that experience. But if you were to leave all the worlds and layers of creation and that which confines your soul to those places you would be conscious but completely free of any form whatsoever.
When you get into the pure conscious realms, you basically are navigating with your thought and instincts. It would be like living within your dreams so to speak in the sense whatever you think of you experience right then and there. Of course the beings that are permitted to experience this have learned full control over the emotions and the mind, otherwise you would probably severely traumatize yourself. Luckily for now, you are confined to the physical world through a physical body where it takes more time to manifest your ideas and thoughts into reality. In other words you don't get yourself into trouble as quick as you can imagine it, your physical body has to build or act out what you are thinking and desiring. But there are worlds that don't have these limitations, you experience everything as soon as you think it or want it. To leave all worlds of experience and to be completely free of anything related to creation is to exist as God exists in the full state of pure consciousness.
Sorry to ramble there, but just know the physical world and all its beauty is not the end of pleasure or experiences.
That's not my point in bringing it up: my point was these stories ONLY come up when people die in some less-than-instant way, when blood flow and thereby oxygen flow to the brain is gradually reduced to critical levels.
Brain death occurs within minutes after the hearts stops beating, after the heart stops beating and there is NO brain activity is when an NDE can take place. TBH it's not really anything gradual, we're talking minutes after the heart stops. The soul can only come back into that body as a useful component only if the heart is resuscitated.
There's a documentary called "I Survived Beyond and Back" that correlates each testimony with medical facts and documentation. Some of the testimonies have been reported hours after brain death. But again, if the soul must come back due to an accident of some kind, it can reenergize the body if that body is still intact and then breathing and heart beating can begin.
This allows for the idea that the brain, given the option, resorts to survival instinct and combs through the most important memories and ideas a person has had stored in their brains to find a reason to keep fighting.
You don't seem like you are very familiar with NDE's. Probably because you believe it's stupid, I'm sure you have put little effort into research instead of reading some materialistic BS trying to come up with reasons why it could happen. NDE's are clear, vivid and objective occurrences that are totally new to the individual like journeying to a completely new world. Of course that's because they are certainly in a new plane of experience.
Do people who get shot in the back of the head experience the same? People who die instantly, in other words, that don't have the prolonged lack of oxygen.
Why don't you get it? people can only report what they experience if they can come back into the body, if someone's head was blown off there is no option for the soul to come back into the body. In other words they do experience the same thing, they just can't come back into the body to tell you about it. They have completely lost the physical body. An NDE means that a person has had the experience, but was able to gain back function of the body and they returned to it, thereby telling you of their observations.
It'd be really helpful if one of those people could report what happened right before they died, then you'd have something to compare your NDE experiences to.
They do, they experience dying and feel their heart stopping and then they momentarily black out as their brain shuts off. Then comes the experience of leaving the body, which usually gets reported as the sensation of "going through a tunnel". That is the soul separating from the body, you will experience a suction or pulling and that is the spirit pulling away from your earthly form....... this is when people then have conscious experiences outside of the brain and body.
Instead all you have is exactly what I laid out: people whose brains experienced critical blood and oxygen deficiency for enough time to have been declared dead, or nearly dead, and who fortunately came back.
Lol, okay you're the expert.
So you're 100% certain that the brain shuts off THEN an NDE occurs? Not that what's being called an "NDE" here happens inside the brain as it's still functioning in its death throes, THEN it shuts off, and that memory is accessed right after resuscitation? It seems a pretty critical piece of your theory, how are you certain?
NDE's are recorded after the heart stops beating and there is no sign of brain function. After this occurs, the person watches themselves LEAVE the body as they freely move around in a parallel world, with real places, people and things. People can't leave their body Ludo unless the body dies, that's when an NDE occurs, and then unfortunately sometimes they are allowed back to finish their journey here.
These are not sleeping or dreaming states either, or half comatose states of consciousness. People know what it is like to dream or have some strange sensation that is different to normal consciousness. These are highly functioning, vivid and clear states of consciousness outside the body, no dreaming or half alive crap. We're talking HD here pal lol. Don't assume people are too stupid not to understand the difference.
One thing to remember, that NDE's happen to people of all walks of life and the documentary I mentioned above has no agenda other than to document the facts. No one is trying to sell religious ideas or propaganda, these are just ordinary folks and as a matter of fact many people who have had one don't report it in fear they will be seen as a freak or something. But it does indeed change their views and attitudes of life and death.
I have a thread somewhere within this forum with a bunch of NDE facts, right now I don't have the time to go back over it all. Perhaps I'll show you later or something. Also, if I don't get back to right away I'm having difficulties with logging in.
