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I sometimes muse on my Atheism,
One of the reasons I became an Atheist, was the difficulty of ascertaining certainty in the Bible,
It's vast, a giant puzzle of thousands of years of history and philosophy,
Arguing on meanings,
Questions just keeps branching out and out and out. . .

But there is much in life I 'do accept and identify or hearken to, without worrying much on gaining absolute knowledge or certainty of understanding.
I'm not sure it's even that I want the Bible to be 'Right, for me to identify as one,
I just want for 'certainty on what everything in it 'IS and means,
But such is impossible.
And 'yet, I am 'Not bothered by my lack of certainty in 'other histories, of Earth, or America, of technology, of American law. . .
. . .

Hm, well, wouldn't matter 'anyhow, with my Atheism being 'now partly from my Materialism viewpoint of reality, (Doubts because of problems such as Being and Consciousness aside)
Also the problem of even if I believed, I think I still wouldn't be motivated to fully follow the Bible, love myself, my Ego, and Pleasures too much.
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I recall liking Seven Brides for Seven Brothers (1954)
When I watched it as a kid.
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I assume people can be more or less masochistic,
Just because they are so, doesn't mean one should 'encourage such a movement.
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Hm, well, wouldn't matter 'anyhow, with my Atheism being 'now partly from my Materialism viewpoint of reality, (Doubts because of problems such as Being and Consciousness aside)
Also the problem of even if I believed, I think I still wouldn't be motivated to fully follow the Bible, love myself, my Ego, and Pleasures too much.
Maybe having a few friends might help you get over your negativity.
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Eh, I'm close to my family,

Have a friend from High School I talk often with, was his Best Man at his wedding,
Though I think I was third or something on his list of possible Best Men.

I communicate on Discord pretty often with 3RU7AL

Talk with a person I met on Debate.org now and then on Discord, I forget what their username on that site was.
But still, we talk about our lives now and then.
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Still, I 'do dislike friendship a 'bit,
I dislike 'losing friendship. Can't be betrayed if you never let anyone get close.

I dislike the obligations of friendship,
I feel more duty to a person when I 'call them 'friend, than if I call them a friendly acquaintance.

I sometimes dislike people taking up my time or attention, as I feel 'obligated to do for friends, more than acquaintances.

I like having my own time and thinking my own thoughts.

Though, I 'do like talking with people, often enough.
I enjoy having people I trust 'somewhat.
Or people whose company I enjoy from time to time.
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@Lemming
Eh, I'm close to my family,

Have a friend from High School I talk often with, was his Best Man at his wedding,
Though I think I was third or something on his list of possible Best Men.

I communicate on Discord pretty often with 3RU7AL

Talk with a person I met on Debate.org now and then on Discord, I forget what their username on that site was.
But still, we talk about our lives now and then.
. . .

Still, I 'do dislike friendship a 'bit,
I dislike 'losing friendship. Can't be betrayed if you never let anyone get close.

I dislike the obligations of friendship,
I feel more duty to a person when I 'call them 'friend, than if I call them a friendly acquaintance.

I sometimes dislike people taking up my time or attention, as I feel 'obligated to do for friends, more than acquaintances.

I like having my own time and thinking my own thoughts.

Though, I 'do like talking with people, often enough.
I enjoy having people I trust 'somewhat.
Or people whose company I enjoy from time to time.
That explains why you are afraid to make commitments. Better to be safe than sorry.
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I prefer to think of it as caution, than fear.

Or as having higher regard or definition of what friendship entails.
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I prefer to think of it as caution, than fear.

Or as having higher regard or definition of what friendship entails.
Maybe your expectations are unrealistic. Or just to high to be met.
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Nah.
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What 'are the requirements to getting into various afterlives?
So many different religions, I'm not 'really looking for an answer,
Just an idle random thought.
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What 'are the requirements to getting into various afterlives?
So many different religions, I'm not 'really looking for an answer,
Just an idle random thought.
You are not looking for an answer but thinking about it nevertheless.
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“’Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind, but fear your God. I am the LORD."

Works both literally and figuratively I'd suppose.

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“’Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind, but fear your God. I am the LORD."

Works both literally and figuratively I'd suppose.
Quoting scriptures is proof you are searching for answers and thinking about different sources.
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I still don't understand what people mean by gender.
I still use it as a synonym for someone's sex.
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I still don't understand what people mean by gender.
I still use it as a synonym for someone's sex.
You don’t seem to understand what people mean by gender. But you use gender in the same context as them. Which simply means you agree with them but disagree with yourself.
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@Lemming
I still don't understand what people mean by gender.
I still use it as a synonym for someone's sex.
Humans are more complex than all other animals, yet various species of animals have both male and female sex ---fungi have thousands of sexes---. Ex some fish, depending on their weight/size can change back and forth between both either sex, depending on weight/size.

Some species of flat worms in ocean have one or two penis, and which ever flatworm gets stuck first by the others penis, becomes pregnant.

Some  1.7 or whatever true  percentage of humanity,  are physically inter-sex people and most likely have existed at what ever percentages since humanity has existed, or so we can presume.

There are reasons people want an appearance ---the way they dress---  of the other, sex yet not identified in any official or culturally as the other sex.

There are reasons people want to appear as other sex and  be identified as the other sex officially and culturally.

Woman is more complex than man.  There exist no male species of animal that pop-out exact clones of themselves, yet some species female Geckos and other animals that do pop-out exact clones of themselves.

  AI ..."  Yes, some gecko species have X and Y chromosomes, indicating an XY sex determination system, although not all geckos exhibit this system;some species have a ZZ/ZW sex chromosome system instead, meaning their sex determination can vary significantly across different gecko genera and even within the same genus, making them a unique case in reptile sex chromosome evolution "..
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@ebuc
You give a good and clear explanation.

I understand sex,
I understand that some people are not 'physically born as most other men and women,
I understand that organisms other than humans exist with many sexes,
I even understand that there exist organisms other than humans that can acquire characteristics of other sexes to the point of function.
I understand that cultures can develop expectations of how certain sexes will behave.

I don't think because a guy likes pretty things, is emotional, or is a bit weak, means they should try to become a woman, just be a man who likes pretty things, is emotional, and a bit weak.
I don't think because woman likes violent things, isn't wildly emotional, or is physically strong, means they should try to become a man, just be a woman who likes violence, calm emotion, and strong.

I don't think liking dresses makes a man gay, we've had cultures where men wore such clothing such as togas.
I don't think liking pants doesn't make a woman a man.

I don't understand identifying as a sex you are not,
It's not something you 'identify as, in 'my view,
I think sex is something you 'are.

Though I admit people can 'technically identify as something they are not,
That does not mean I see it as something to encourage as normal or good, or what they truly 'are.
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I still don't understand what people mean by gender.
I still use it as a synonym for someone's sex.
Maybe their rejection of you was not determined by your gender.
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@Lemming
Though I admit people can 'technically identify as something they are not,
That does not mean I see it as something to encourage as normal or good, or what they truly 'are.

I forget where or when exactly the vid of the child and mother was.  The boy always liked to play with dolls, brush the hair, various clothing etc.

Mother thought it strange, yet did not greatly discourage it best I recall.  The vid piece was inter-veiw of the boy and mother. I dont recall this program piece interview of the boy at a later date in life or not. ? ?

Again, why people do the various many variation can only be answered by each individual.

All or what I understand, is that people would generally have some genetic thing going on that would cause them to make any of the less radical to more radical transformations in regards to sex change >< crossing dressing to some degree.  Those appear to be 2 extremes to me.  Go figure and if you find any one single answer the fits all of them, please share that with me.

My guess is that what 85% of humans share in common is the enjoyment  of orgasm.  I seem to recall that men, for their size have large penis ratio relative to other animals ratio of body size to penis ratio. Been few years since I read that. Remember a disscussion list we questioned how did that evolution occur. Again, if you have an answer for that one, please share.
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If a boy wants to play with dolls, that's there choice, though I'd probably softly discourage it,
As I would discourage not playing with dolls, if boys playing with dolls was culturally normal.

Understanding and practicing social norms is a valuable skill.

Some individuals are very strong,
And are able to live nonconformist lives very comfortably,
But unless I knew that child to possess such strength, and had an understanding of the ramifications of their actions, I'd not encourage them to misstep.
Same as I tell someone their zipper is undone,
Perhaps it's an accident, and if not, I'd not encourage them to be outside social norms.

Even if a boy wants to play with dolls, they're still a boy,
They shouldn't room with girls.

I can understand people are prepossessed to certain actions depending on their genetics,
Killers for instance, might be predisposed, doesn't mean I should encourage their predispositions,
Understand and encourage them differently than people Non predisposed, perhaps.

For the human sex organ,
I'd assume it's either our imagination influenced our choices in mates during evolution,
Or just same as other animals that possess exaggerated body parts that influence their mating rituals, just the luck of the draw.
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For the human sex organ,
I'd assume it's either our imagination influenced our choices in mates during evolution,
Or just same as other animals that possess exaggerated body parts that influence their mating rituals, just the luck of the draw.
Only humans select their mates based on body parts.
How do animals choose who to mate with?
Another way animals choose mates is based upon displays/courtship. Some species of fish and birds build elaborate nests to entice the female to mate with them. Typically the female will choose her "favorite" nest. Other displays include dances, songs, and fighting other males.

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@Lemming
If a boy wants to play with dolls, that's there choice, though I'd probably softly discourage it,
As I would discourage not playing with dolls, if boys playing with dolls was culturally normal.

" culturally normal"..  Cultures change in any country. 

Family culture begins with the parents values and that can vary greatly.

Again, te complexity is great, not as simple as " cultural norm " as you would like it to be so that our personal comfort zone for complex issues come with meatphorical { ? } sign... do no enter cause dont wont to deal with cultural, other societal complexities

Understanding and practicing social norms is a valuable skill.
And those on some degree of fringe can are persecuted. Bad idea unless it has to do with uncalled for/uneccessary violence.

Yet some may find some parental values ---or the for whatever reasons-- some children have greater tendency towards violence to resolve their personal issues of culture or other. bullying etc of those outside what the perceive as their personal normal.

Many if not all cultures have experienced barbarism in their histories.

Perhaps it's an accident, and if not, I'd not encourage them to be outside social norms.
There are degrees of relax { let it go as insignificant } to uptight { confrontational } about such minor stuff of a man zipper being undone. Cant count the times as and adult my looked and found my zipper was undone.  Same goes for women over the years that has changed to how much skin/flesh is exposed or not.

They shouldn't room with girls.
As chldren, if boys and girls are in agreement { comforable } with their insignificant choices, let them be,  and they may learn on their own, what they want to do in the future. Their inexperience children, that can do stupid stuff at any age before official adulthood --ex burn the home down by accident---.

It is not all black and white simplicity as you would like it to be.  In olden days and even today in poor communities you may have whole family sharing one room. Or more than one family etc.

I'd assume it's either our imagination influenced our choices in mates during evolution,
Or just same as other animals that possess exaggerated body parts that influence their mating rituals, just the luck of the draw.
One of the answerrs I supplied years ago, is that humans have ability to conceptualize all kinds of sexual situations, and men masturbated more than a whale, or bear, wolf, monkey etc, and this led to increasing the evolutionary --via epigenetic{?} circumstances--.  Ex there are men in France if I recall correctly who most of their life, their job had been squishing grapes in barefoot for people in wine business, and they developed wider gaps between all of the toes on their feet.

Humans are most complex species and to expect to simplistic black and white over increasing global population ergo greater coming into contact and understanding/learning about many complex  social norms, cultures,  genetics etc is again, moving away from all white and all black to a world of brown and that is true in skin color sense as well.

And on this latter point of skin color, we see how many have or currently find that outside their more narrow comfort zone of acceptable, and in past if not still today, treating other humans if they are not human.  Barbarism is still with humanity. Who wants to change that cultural norm?

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Generally speaking, I am not against families wanting to hold to their values,
Generally speaking I agree that some cultures are barbaric from my point of view,

I view a family sharing a room as being different than sharing a room with non-relatives,
Though I think families would still often 'prefer some degree of separate quarters.
. . . Regardless though, if one has the 'means to separate the sexes, I think it better to separate the sexes.

Interesting view, on human sexuality and evolution.

I think it is a fair argument to say humans and our socializations are not simple,
But I also think there is argument for not adding unneeded complexity, or acknowledging practical realities.
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Regardless though, if one has the 'means to separate the sexes, I think it better to separate the sexes.
Odd that you see separation of the sexes as socialization.
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@Lemming
But I also think there is argument for not adding unneeded complexity, or acknowledging practical realities.
After last post, later on I thought, it comes around the comfort zone  for each person on the planet and their set of circumstances.

I hope Im not trying to add complexity, as each person, ---and as a global collective set---, is way to complicated for me as is.  Smile :--)) Ha ha

Best Wishes for you and all, and  if I did not address the specifics of your last post  maybe later. We each add to collective set of concepts/viewpoints about this that and the other eh?



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Best wishes to you as well,
And yes, I do feel added to in concepts and viewpoints.
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Best wishes to you as well,
And yes, I do feel added to in concepts and viewpoints.
Being added is better than being diminished.
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Seems wasteful to topple statues of X,
Could probably make more money selling the statue as a single piece.
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Seems wasteful to topple statues of X,
Could probably make more money selling the statue as a single piece.
. . .

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How does an individual you carry away a 20 feet several ton statue?
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Europeans who focus on American politics a lot annoy me. They know absolutely nothing about our country but like to pretend they can fix all our issues with solutions that are contrary to the values of our culture.