HELL BOUND MUSLIMS, TRY TO DEFEND ISLAM AGAINST WOMEN!

@oromagi

I recall that you had a thread about "Movies that conciously edited out powerful women"

And I like how well you speak, though I don't always agree with you.

I'm curious of your opinion, perspective, on a wife obeying her husband?

Posts #19 down,  about.

This was in the worst parts of Iraq. I think most of the rebels we fought against were not as bad as that (not to say good, just still definable as human).

When I was in college, I took a job for some minor Saudi princeling ...

I spent many hours at the Prince's nice house and his wife was always there in full niqab but she never spoke...

I did, however, meet his wife once more at a grocery store on the other side of town months later....

This experience has informed my assumptions about women in strict Islamic societies more than any other.

WHAT PART OF STEPHENS QUOTE TO YOU DIDN'T YOU UNDERSTAND?: "I do not advise you to start to derail another members thread by creating another argument with me."

To save yourself further embarrassment at DEBATEART, like the MARKWEBBERFAN stepped in at post #31, STAY OUT of my thread, and take your child-like demeanor to a Children's Christian forum like I told you to do, understood?

If the core beliefs of Islam were truly peaceful, then Islam extremists should be extremely peaceful.

 There are some basic and fundamental rulings in Islam that either make or oust a person in or out of Islamic fold. By that virtue, she's close to losing that identity in the first place- again, not because she chose her path of freedom from her husband's authority but based on the conversation you had with her, her faith in God edges towards disbelief, Cause well, Islam is all about faith- more so than practice. So, to objectively decide upon a woman's mindset in a strict Islamic society, you'd do better exemplifying a strict Islamic female rather than a liberal wanting to compromise.

To any hell bound Muslim, according to my faith of Christianity, step forth and with a straight face if you can, defend your faith of Islam with your despicable Muhammed and Allah as the foundation thereof!!

MUHAMMED AS THE FOUNDER OF ISLAM BEING A PEDOPHILE!

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151:

Narrated 'Aisha:

“I used to play with the dolls...

I am middle eastern and i am embarrassed to share the same genes as these people

many muslims and middle easterners are anti white and seek to take over europe with increasing birth-rates, although this isn't true for persians (iranians), most of the antiwhite middle easterners are either arabs or turks.

whats wrong with that? The US in 1960s was the same

We're not living in the 1960's. The fact that moderate Muslims hold this ancient belief directly because of their faith should be a concern.

lol you destroyed him im guessing brotherdthomas is going to respond with you being unholy

Did you know that the Prophet Muhammad could not read or write?

Yes, it took me all of my childhood to realize this. Islam leaves scant little to those dipping their toes outside of its fold.

Submission requires strict observance of its tenets. While mere ignorance is excused, wilful disobedience is punished. I don't agree with this lifestyle. 

For illustration purposes, the fractured Islamic parties in Indonesia often occupy themselves with rules of what women should wear. I'm pretty sure Iraq's leadership is also occupied with the same thing. Really, across muslim countries, this sounds like a trivial pursuit. In my opinion, I would go insane listening to similar versions of the same fundamentalist rule.

Then again, Im told to do it for the sake of the afterlife! But no, I vehemently disagree.

I am a feminist, which means I believe women are just as deserving of self-determination as men and men's equals in any legal, political, or societal sense.

I think our most fundamental  human responsibility is to thoughtfully caretake the richness of life on earth and that the proper care and education of children must be the number one priority of that inheritance and that our whole economic outlook as humans should be restructured to reflect the value of that priority and duty.

To that end, women as the babymakers and the more biologically driven caregivers live closer to our true economic priorities than men do and we men  make a mistake when we fail to respect women's superior compassion and sense of community in our decision-making. Women understand better than men the whole point of civilization as a function of women's role in human reproduction and our society should reflect  and include a feminine perspective in all things.

I am also a liberal, which means I believe that human freedom and equality ought to be prioritized over the preservation of wealth and property and even tradition, as important as all those thing are to humanity.

So I don't believe women owe men their obedience.  If anything, I think men ought to (slightly) defer to women as the better informed regarding humanity's top priority, which is the care and education of the next generation.

But the core of liberalism is also a profound respect for other people's belief and I'm not much down for forums where we sit out around and trash other people's religion, particularly since we are fairly likely to be ill-informed or wholly  ignorant about the nature of other people's religion and particularly  in cases where religions have a long history of wisdom and good deeds, as is true of all major religions.

When I was in college, I took a job for some minor Saudi princeling who was blind and pursuing a doctorate in Lexicography- an insanely ambitious pursuit.  My incredibly dull but good-paying job was to read pages and pages of dictionary entries to him, carefully describing every notation from a wide variety of dictionaries. I am pretty deaf but years of speech therapy has made me very good at reading things out loud. 

I spent many hours at the Prince's nice house and his wife was always there in full niqab but she never spoke. If we walked into a room where she was she would immediately leave without comment.  Her husband never introduced her or spoke of her in all my time there.  One day, he called to say my services were no longer required and I never saw him again.

I did, however, meet his wife once more at a grocery store on the other side of town months later.  She knew me by name and had to introduce herself because I'd never seen her face.  She was wearing a skirt and a bedazzled t-shirt and she was surprisingly young and beautiful considering what a fat toad the princeling had been.  She was funny and spoke perfect English and she was utterly contemptuous of her husband.  She explained that I'd been fired because her husband learned that I lived with a woman unmarried (of course he didn't know that I was gay but I'm sure that would have been equal cause for termination). 

She explained without prompting that she hated her role and restrictions in Arab society and only in this town where nobody knew  her could she go out once in a while and participate in society like a normal, pretty girl laughing and flirting and talking shit about her husband. She was delightful, and I often think about how much that fat prince was missing out on because he treated that pretty girl like an object to be owned instead of woman to be adored.  Ironically,  because of  his religiously rigorous possessiveness, strangers like me got to meet and enjoy the best of his wife while he never would- not just denying himself the pleasure of her company but kind of cluelessly self-cuckolding in the name of God.

This experience has informed my assumptions about women in strict Islamic societies more than any other.

Really good read. I think she probably cherishes that memory more than her whole experience at Saudi Arabia. I never went through what she went through so this is just my speculation since I lived most of my life in an equally conservative muslim society. 

Saudi Arabia's main jurisprudence (Hanbali) is not far off from other muslim countries. I'd say muslims split along cultural lines so I can reasonably expect other strict Islamic countries to have similar cases of abuse towards women. I do think they differ in manners of expression. For example, indonesians are more likely to throw in hunger deprivation than social deprivation.