---Star Trek Deep Space Nine (DS9) Mafia: DP1---

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  • Vaarka
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    Since when has GP ever idolized you? 

    Wylted/GP scum team calling it now 
  • Aporia
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    Was just having some fun with the rule. I dont care either way. Also I'm a dude tf.
  • Vaarka
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    Also I'm a dude tf.
    not anymore ;3

  • Aporia
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    Gotta do what you gotta do I guess.
  • Wylted
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    budda, two people posted. I don't think greyparrot is a mindless ape, that will automatically vote for whoever I vote for, I just said I think he idolizes me a bit. Even if he were a mindless ape who would always vote the way I vote, I still don't have a scum read at the moment and am not that interested in getting him to vote the way I do.

    I flipped votes because aporia gave me the information I requested. It's that simple. I already gave a soft claim on my very first post. I think that is sufficient.
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    Okay, cool to know you're useless at night and all, but what is the bolded. 
    Obviously the rest is not meant to be explained until I claim. Also I never said my role was useless. I said I consider my role useless. In my hands the role is useless, in yours it would not be.

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    Since when has GP ever idolized you? 
    Most people idolize me. You're overthinking the braggadocioness of a narccissist. Also he clearly chearleads me a bit because we both are clearly part of a small handfull of paleo conservatives or beliefs that closely resemble that here. I don't think I've ever disagreed with a statement he has made, so he likely has never disagreed with a statement I have made, so it would be natural to cheerlead me a bit. He chearleads me in political threads, and you avoid those threads so I don't expect you to have seen it, not that it is all that noticable anyway.

  • Greyparrot
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    That is a bit weird to say... looking back... that you think I will auto-buddy you in a mafia game.

    UNVOTE VTL WYLTED
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    I mean if I idolize anyone it's Buddha...and I sniffed him out as scum on day one last game.....don't make that mistake lol!


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    Now you guys got one of my fans to turn on me. Thanks. I hope you feel good about yourselves. I gave you guys a soft claim early on that will take quite a bit of bullshitting to walk back. Unless you're looking to actually lynch me I think you should back off.
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    Now he is lying about being one of my fans. Who am I nickleback. Just own it dude
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    You're missing the point. Ask buddha. I'm just as vicious to my buddies in a mafia game.... (he of course killed me on night one for it)
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    Where is Budda claim
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    I don't see it. Until then, VTL Aporia

  • warren42
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    Hi guys, I'm excited to try out this game. Hopefully we can catch the mafia!

    Quick question: Why are people voting for other people already? We still have plenty of time. I think people voting for other people to be lynched might be the mafia.

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    Not what I said. Being experienced doesn't mean one can't give off a read just like anyone else.

    This is being obtuse to the point, which was in the likelihood of behaviors indicative of affiliation being taken. The phrases,

    "experienced players are far less llikely to discern their affiliation if pressured then inexperienced players" 

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    "Being experienced doesn't mean one CANT behave in a manner indicative of affiliation" 

    are not mutually exclusive as it appears you think they are. Both points can be true, because one is talking about degree of likelihood, and one is referencing solely whether or not it can happen at all. 

    That was an intellectually lazy response that didnt address the core issue at play with an opinion that pressuring experienced players is more beneficial than pressuring experienced players. 

    When that facially doesn't make sense because "formidability" lies in how difficult it is to gauge that "formidable" players affiliation, and acting as if an experienc player is more likely to produce content indicative of affiliation when pressured, as opposed to an inexperienced player, is akin to positing it's more likely someone who has never played baseball before, is gonna play the game better than someone who has played for years. 

    By all means take that stance if you want to, don't be surprised when it gets pointed out as being poor strategy. Because when I am figuring out a course of action, a gameplan if you will, I'm going to choose to isolate and attack the Pro-Bowl corner, not the rookie who has never played a game before, or even only a small handful of games. Why? Because obviously that pro-bowl corner is going to be worse at pass coverage than the rookie 😂.
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    You can think it's poor sttategy if you want, that doesn't bother me.

    As I said earlier I get better results pressuring and reading experienced players first. As scum it's too easy to exploit newb play and manipulate town into wagoning off a faux scum read. You've been playing long enough to know this. Scum must lie and part of that means conjuring fake reads. Newbs are the easiest target of this strategy. So early newb pressure is counter-intuitive imo.

    Therefore i go after more experienced players (I think random pressure is veiled BS). As I said earlier (you didn't respond), its a win-win. Evincing a town read on a relatively good player allows for pro-town buddying (sharing reads, building a vote bloc) and evincing a scum read allows for early investigations which (ideally) would end in adding a good player to the town bloc (as I mentioned) or getting rid of an experienced mafioso early on.

    Yes experienced players are sometimes harder to read but I think yer overstating it tbh. 1) Being more experienced there are more games historically to draw on when determining their town play (the base read if you will). 2) Whereas playing anti-town isnt necessarily a scum tell for a newb (mistakes are easily exploitable by scum looking to start a wagon) it can more often than not reasonably be one for an experienced player with knowledge of SOP and enough games under their belt to be held accountable to some standards of play (as town). Like I said, disagree all you want but it's a winning strategy.
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    Forgot to tag you in my response
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    What is the goal of yer vote.
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    Just re-read yer initial reason for voting Wyl. i
    I think yer misinterpreting the reasoning there. 1) He unvoted me because I gave him the info that he requested. He asked who I was and for an explanation of my reasoning. I granted him that. So there would be no reason to keep his vote on me unless he wanted a claim which is not what he asked for when he voted me. So i consider that definitely null.

    On to his vote of you, you said it yerself that the point of RVS is to generate discussion and content so if that's one's goal than surely you can see that me pressuring you because yer experienced and him jumping on to just start sonewhere wouldn't require us to vote for different peeps. Discussion is discussion even if we're coming from different places right? I can see yer point about ceding momentum and control kinda I guess but it's not standing out to me too much. Noticd he had to let everyone know that he might change his mind on the vote later (wow so unique lol) so it's not like his post doesn't still reek of feigned control. 
  • Buddamoose
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     I don't think greyparrot is a mindless ape, that will automatically vote for whoever I vote for.
    Then you are pretty much admitting you pulled that reasoning out of ur rear? Cause, to get this straight, GP is not sus for bw'ing because because he idolizes you so that explains why, but him idolizing you actually isnt going to generally cause a bw. 

    I flipped votes because aporia gave me the information I requested. It's that simple. I already gave a soft claim on my very first post. I think that is sufficient. 

    This actually does not provide a reason for why, a self proclaimed narcissist, would cede control of a DP, amd bw onto a wagon based upon reasoning you were explicit and clear that you didn't agree with. 

    This, again, is about as natural as Kanye West trying to act humble. And your responses literally did not address the core issue present with your behavior, that being, there is still no sensible motive behind the flip, and the flip itself is at odds with your natural behavior as a, self-proclaimed" narcissist.

    Idc what you soft-claimed. Your behavior here is at odds with your general natural behavior. And when players start acting in a manner that's not natural, not "genuine", thats a clear sign of shenanigans being afoot.
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    Its almost like you didn't read my post

    On to his vote of you, you said it yerself that the point of RVS is to generate discussion and content so if that's one's goal than surely you can see that me pressuring you because yer experienced and him jumping on to just start sonewhere wouldn't require us to vote for different peeps

    He unvoted me because

    Him unvoting you has nothing to do with it. Like I said, its almost as if you didnt read my post and are just arguing against me because I'm pointing out your percieved optimal path in RVS is not consistent with experienced players being overwhelmingly generally better in any competition or sport. 

    As i said, if you are forming a gameplan in say football, you don't form a gameplan around attacking the cornerback that's a veteran and is considered a formidable corner, you go after the rookie, it simply put generates success far more often than going after that veteran who has seen it all before. 

    I can see yer point about ceding momentum and control kinda I guess but it's not standing out to me too much

    And i would personally surmise this is most likely because he wagoned with you and you don't want to scum read him because that likely means he drops his vote from the wagon you tried starting. 


  • Buddamoose
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    On to his vote of you, you said it yerself that the point of RVS is to generate discussion and content so if that's one's goal than surely you can see that me pressuring you because yer experienced and him jumping on to just start sonewhere wouldn't require us to vote for different peeps

    My first post:,

    Normally during RVS flipping votes isn't that sus cause the point is to generate wagons to produce substantive content. But his flip couldn't of been motivated by that, as his vote was already on the largest wagon at the time

    To further cement it not being a sensible motive behind the flip, you were the only vote on that wagon. Him voting what he would prefer, that being an "unknown quantity", would not be derailing a game during RVS. Your acting as if your wagon was already established as the lead wagon, when it wasn't the lead wagon... 

    2 wagons with 1 vote each during RVS, does not derail a game by a third person going, "neither of you two are pressuring smartly" and voting a different person. In fact, that is fmpov what a townie would do. Why? The goal of town is for town to control the direction of DP's. On DP1 one doesn't know who is or is not town, so if you see people placing votes you disagree with, as town you attempt to assert control and drive it in a direction you agree with because the only player one knows is conclusively town or strong town during RVS, is oneself. 
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    Also, I'm curious, for someone who thinks gauging the affiliation of experienced players is equal to or lesser than the difficulty of gauging inexperienced players, where are ur reads? Its almost like already the results ur getting from the course of action aren't in line with your theory 👍. 
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    Yer analogy is completely inapplicable to this situation simply because as town I have no idea who is on my team and who isn't. That's the point of this game and it's why a strategy that takes these unknowns into account and works off them is optimal. The only group in this game who know who the opposing CB (per yer analogy) is are scum. Lack of information and unknowns are the name of the game and it is for this reason specifically that I'm not prioritizing going after the rookies. Yer talking past my points since I specifically brought this up when I made my point about scum conjuring tells. Scum strategy tells you to go after the weaker players earlier. Town strategy tells you to examine players who could be helpful and to prioritize either a) making them into a town asset or b) getting rid of them.