Jesus , it has been agreed by some Christians that Jesus resurrected as flesh and blood man.So a recent question I have posed is- how did Jesus enter the closed and locked room?"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”John 20:19 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+20%3A19-20&version=NIVHow did he do it?
Regardless of what JW , you or the reverend Tradsecret have to say, Jesus makes it quite plain that he returned the same way he went, as a flesh and blood fully grown human with wounded flesh .
Stephen wrote: #29Jesus said"36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luke 24:36- 39
Jesus , it has been agreed by some Christians that Jesus resurrected as flesh and blood man.So a recent question I have posed is- how did Jesus enter the closed and locked room?"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”John 20:19 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+20%3A19-20&version=NIVHow did he do it?According to the JW Jesus appeared to the disciples in the spirit and not in flesh and blood.Do you actually read the threads that you comment on?Regardless of what JW , you or the reverend Tradsecret have to say, Jesus makes it quite plain that he returned the same way he went, as a flesh and blood fully grown human with wounded flesh .Stephen wrote: #29Jesus said"36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luke 24:36- 39So I am right, Jesus appeared before the disciples as a spirit.
NO!!!. read what this supposed son of god says himself, FFS!.The disciples believed they were seeing a ghost/ spirit." 37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit".But Jesus says touch my wounds and have a good poke around and see > "it is I myself for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have".Luke 24:36- 39Read this thread and see what the dopey apologist invent in their attempts to get over this little dilemma.
Shila wrote: So I am right, Jesus appeared before the disciples as a spirit.Stephen wrote: NO!!!. read what this supposed son of god says himself, FFS!.The disciples believed they were seeing a ghost/ spirit." 37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit".But Jesus says touch my wounds and have a good poke around and see > "it is I myself for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have".Luke 24:36- 39Read this thread and see what the dopey apologist invent in their attempts to get over this little dilemma.Shila wrote:The Bible describes spiritual bodies as immortal but not immaterial. A spiritual body is dominated by the spirit but it is not devoid of all matter. The Greek word used by Paul for spiritual (pneumatikos) means a body directed by the spirit, as opposed to one controlled by the flesh. So, a spiritual body is immortal and imperishable but it is not immaterial. According to Geisler, Paul’s reference to a “spiritual” (pneumatikos) body denotes a supernatural body, not a non-physical one. For example, in 1 Corinthians 10:4, Paul speaks of the “supernatural (pneumatikos) rock” from which the Israelites got “spiritual drink.” However, Exodus 17:5-6 and Numbers 20:8-9 make it clear the rock was a physical rock from which the Israelites got physical water, but by supernatural means. Further, when Paul spoke about the spiritual man in 1 Corinthians 2:11-15, he was not referring to an invisible, immaterial man without a physical body but a man with a fleshly body whose life was lived by the supernatural power of God.
Shila wrote: So I am right, Jesus appeared before the disciples as a spirit.Stephen wrote: NO!!!. read what this supposed son of god says himself, FFS!.The disciples believed they were seeing a ghost/ spirit." 37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit".But Jesus says touch my wounds and have a good poke around and see > "it is I myself for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have".Luke 24:36- 39Read this thread and see what the dopey apologist invent in their attempts to get over this little dilemma.Shila wrote:The Bible describes spiritual bodies as immortal but not immaterial. A spiritual body is dominated by the spirit but it is not devoid of all matter. The Greek word used by Paul for spiritual (pneumatikos) means a body directed by the spirit, as opposed to one controlled by the flesh. So, a spiritual body is immortal and imperishable but it is not immaterial. According to Geisler, Paul’s reference to a “spiritual” (pneumatikos) body denotes a supernatural body, not a non-physical one. For example, in 1 Corinthians 10:4, Paul speaks of the “supernatural (pneumatikos) rock” from which the Israelites got “spiritual drink.” However, Exodus 17:5-6 and Numbers 20:8-9 make it clear the rock was a physical rock from which the Israelites got physical water, but by supernatural means. Further, when Paul spoke about the spiritual man in 1 Corinthians 2:11-15, he was not referring to an invisible, immaterial man without a physical body but a man with a fleshly body whose life was lived by the supernatural power of God.
Stephen wrote: Well it is there written in black on white. Jesus returned as he went a, full grown human . His wounds were flesh wounds. He says he is flesh and bone and clearly states that he cannot be a spirit because he is flesh and bone.
There is no mention of Jesus bleeding or having blood, only flesh and bones. That would make him a Vampire.
FFS give over you clown. He had wounds, flesh wounds, and had invited people to have a poke around.The disciples believed they were seeing a ghost/ spirit." 37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit".But Jesus says touch my wounds and have a good poke around and see > "it is I myself for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have".Luke 24:36- 39Jesus in the verses above is clearly saying he is not spirit because spirits do not have flesh and bone. Take it or leave it sunshine, but this is a biblical fact from the mouth of the Christ himself.If you want to keep acting the complete and utter twat be my guest but don't expect too many responses from me.
Obviously he returned as a spirit or Ghost.
Nope!
