The Biden Border Crisis

Author: Double_R 2 years ago

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thett3

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thett3

07.05.2022 12:02PM

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It has now been six months since we last spoke on this issue, and we have five more months of abysmal data. Every single month since his second full month in August the number of illegal aliens crossing the border has been higher than the highest month under Trump, which resulted in policy changes that caused the crisis to swiftly abate. Yes, around 40-50% of migrants are being turned away due to title 42 (something that Biden has tried and failed to end) but these numbers plus hundreds of thousands of "gotaways" still result in several million people being added to the American population explicitly against the consent of the governed. There has been far more illegal immigration under Biden than there have been immigrants who followed the law.

Do you still contend that Biden's policies have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with this? Do you think sitting around and failing to solve the crisis for a year and a half now is an acceptable response?

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters

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07.05.2022 03:25PM

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I never contended that Biden's policies have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with this, that's a complete strawman. The conversation is about what is primarily responsible for the surge, and I don't see any evidence that Biden's policies are it for reasons already explained.

You talk about the surge starting in the late 2010's, which is exactly when Trump put all of this under a global spotlight. I'm not sure how you conclude anything other than his rhetoric having a significant impact on creating the problem you are crediting him with fixing.

But beyond that, people do not abandon the only place they've ever known as their home to trek across an entire country in order to *attempt* to get into a country completely foreign to them just because our policies are more lenient than they were before. They do it because their situation is dire, so if you really want to know why the numbers are so bad you should start by looking at that.

I don't think it's coincidence that the entire world is going through an economic collapse in the aftermath of a pandemic that upended the global supply chain and now the number of people in central America who are unhappy with their opportunity for a better life have dramatically increased. To look at that and think the bulk of those people did this "because Biden" seems quite silly to me.

So yes if Biden's policies were more inhumane like the former president i'm sure that would make an impact, but to act like his policies are the cause of it I think ignores the bigger picture.

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07.05.2022 03:37PM

The words of Emma Lazarus’s famous 1883 sonnet “The New Colossus” have seemed more visible since Donald Trump’s election. They can be found on the news and on posters, in tweets and in the streets. Lines 10 and 11 of the poem are quoted with the most frequency—“Give me your tired, your poor, / Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free”—and often by those aiming to highlight a contrast between Lazarus’s humanitarian vision of the nation and the president’s racist rhetoric.
After reports that Trump had described Haiti, El Salvador, and African nations as “shithole countries,” the former FBI director James Comey tweeted a bit of the sonnet, along with his interpretation of its meaning.

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07.05.2022 03:51PM

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@Double_R

You talk about the surge starting in the late 2010's, which is exactly when Trump put all of this under a global spotlight. I'm not sure how you conclude anything other than his rhetoric having a significant impact on creating the problem you are crediting him with fixing.

Come on dude. Be honest with me. I am always honest with you. What I've said is that in the mid 2010s people discovered the giant loophole in American asylum law. There was NOT a spike starting in the 2010s other than one in late 2018-mid 2019 that Trump's policies put a stop to. There was also a similar but much much smaller crisis of unaccompanied minors that Obama put a stop to in 2015. The numbers are unbelievably striking and they have only gotten worse since https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/08/13/migrant-encounters-at-u-s-mexico-border-are-at-a-21-year-high/

Illegal entries have been higher than the highest month under Trump EVERY SINGLE MONTH under Biden!

But beyond that, people do not abandon the only place they've ever known as their home to trek across an entire country in order to *attempt* to get into a country completely foreign to them just because our policies are more lenient than they were before. They do it because their situation is dire, so if you really want to know why the numbers are so bad you should start by looking at that.

Yes they do. I'm baffled that you would even make a statement like this--obviously people respond to incentives. Right now under Biden the incentive to illegally migrate is much much stronger because in the majority of cases, his administration releases any given illegal alien into the country without a court date or any type of tracking, and the odds of them actually being deported are extremely low.

Deportations have declined by 3x under Biden: https://www.axios.com/2022/03/11/ice-arrest-deportation-number-biden-immigration

So yes if Biden's policies were more inhumane like the former president i'm sure that would make an impact, but to act like his policies are the cause of it I think ignores the bigger picture.

You haven't answered the second part of the question: is sitting around and doing absolutely nothing for a year and a half acceptable leadership to you?