Is Original Sin an Example of Kin Punishment?

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 for I, the Lord thy God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me,

The only escape from this curse was to be born of a Virgin as in Jesus’s case.

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Yet Jesus taught the opposite.

I gave you those quotes in----

On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. 
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
 
Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.
Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.

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 for I, the Lord thy God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me,

The only escape from this curse was to be born of a Virgin as in Jesus’s case.

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Yet Jesus taught the opposite.

I gave you those quotes in----

On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. 
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
 
Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.
Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.

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DL
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jesus had no choice.God sent Jesus to be sacrifice for us.

Jesus had no choice and lamented on the cross.
Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

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You refuse to discus your immoral views.

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You refuse to discus your immoral views.

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You  need to turn to porn to discover immoral views. Immoral views are banned on religious forums.
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Now you are wasting my time.

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You refuse to discus your immoral views.

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You  need to turn to porn to discover immoral views. Immoral views are banned on religious forums.
Now you are wasting my time.

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You  need to turn to porn to discover immoral views. Immoral views are banned on religious forums.
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Too stupid.

Moving on.

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Too stupid.

Moving on.

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At least you acknowledge you are looking for porn in the wrong place. Moving on is your best hope of finding it.
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No, Original sin is the nature of man, that's why there so much evil in the world. It is not punishment, nor is it a manipulation tactic, it is just a fact.
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No, Original sin is the nature of man, that's why there so much evil in the world. It is not punishment, nor is it a manipulation tactic, it is just a fact.
So how do you entertain friends and family known it they are nothing but a bunch of sinners beyond divine help?

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I see a lot more good in the world than evil.

For instance, globally, we continue to pull people out from under the poverty line.

If you do not see the great human progress, what do you see?

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Christians sing of Adam's sin being a happy fault and necessary to God's plan, just as nature would sing.

What help would you give, given that if they sin, they profit?

Any help would likely harm them more than any good from no longer sinning or competing as evolution would call it.

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Christians sing of Adam's sin being a happy fault and necessary to God's plan, just as nature would sing.

What help would you give, given that if they sin, they profit?

Any help would likely harm them more than any good from no longer sinning or competing as evolution would call it.

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The Bible tells us how humans profited from sin mainly Adam and Eve’s sin.
Humans became like gods.

Genesis 3: 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
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I understand the situation and the great reward for humanity.

What is the problem with A & E following Satan's God given command to ignore God's command?

Yahweh did not put Satan there to be ignored.

Get with the story by recognizing that in the myth part of Christianity, just as in nature, the epitome of evil to a man is a woman.

Have you not noted the definitely female breasts they give Satan in the Vatican's Expulsion painting?

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The Bible tells us how humans profited from sin mainly Adam and Eve’s sin.
Humans became like gods.

Genesis 3: 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”


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I understand the situation and the great reward for humanity.

What is the problem with A & E following Satan's God given command to ignore God's command?

Yahweh did not put Satan there to be ignored.

Get with the story by recognizing that in the myth part of Christianity, just as in nature, the epitome of evil to a man is a woman.

Have you not noted the definitely female breasts they give Satan in the Vatican's Expulsion painting?

Regards
DL
Nothing in Genesis suggests Eve’s breasts were instrumentally evil.

The forbidden fruit enhanced her knowledge of good and evil not her breasts.

Genesis 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”