trump's immigration rhetoric is overblown

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    1. the mexicans coming here are criminals? actually, they commit less crime than most americans do. it'd make more sense for canada to say 'we don't want americans immigrating here because they're criminals'. would that sound right to you, as an american? 

    2. the wall makes sense? i mean if you can get it cheap, sure. but what is it really accomplishing? if we really wanted to stop them from stealing jobs, we'd enforce the rules about not hiring immigrants. as far as drugs go, most will just find ways to go around the wall and smuggle them in, so it won't make much of a difference. i mean, we might save money on deporting them, but that costs less than a billion dollars so you have to consider the time value of money. we'd save money on putting them in jail, but most of them being in jail for just being illegal isn't worth it. who cares if they are here if they aren't doing anything detrimental to us? i mean it does cost less than a bilion to put the criminal immigrants in jail, but this is more like people commit crime so we put them in jail. it isn't really something specific to immigrants necessarily. and again you have to consider the time value of money. so i conclude the wall is only worhtwhile if we can do it cheap enough. 

    3. obviously saying mexico would pay for the wall never made sense from the beginning despite his supporters eating it up. everyone's all but gave up on that pipe dream. 

    trump said he doesn't talk about how good the economy is during rallies as much because people get bored with it after not too long. they eat up the immigration stuff though, so he just dives right in and it explains how and why he over blows it all. 
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    that it's so overblown is a great example, of trump being a demagogue 
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    I really love how nowhere in your title, nor the huge word salad you posted does the word "ILLEGAL" appear.

    Fake news at its finest.

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    What is worse, Trump's rhetoric or the media's version of Trump's rhetoric?


    Really though, even though the media really does twist and pervert everything Trump says, I have to admit that he still may be the greatest shit talker to take office in my lifetime. Truly the WWE candidate.

    When he was running, I said "Now this guy should get in office, he will single handidly revitalize the satire industry."

    I was wrong though, Donald Trump is way more entertaining than the people who make fun of him. In fact, the satire industry is worse now than it ever has been. 

    *sniffles*







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    Guess who built all of the Slumps highrise monstrosities? That's right......................ILLEGALS for well below minimum wage bwuahahahahaha
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    Oh this will make for some good viewing.
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    if a picture is worth a 1000 words, how much is a video worth?  it's probably been doctored or faked because it makes the pro arguments invalid and supports Trump's claims, mostly.
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    I saw a story for someone who wanted to preserve the wall prototypes made to Trump specification as art, called it minimalism I think.  Have you seen the videos posted up by the former president of Mexico?
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    If you ask Steve Bannon he would probably say that Trump expresses himself so that people will irrationally over extend their position.  I don't know if that's a political narration or a founded strategy.  Similar behavior has been observed in the uphill movement for equal rights, to rile the establishment and get the worst of the bunch out of the woodwork.  

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    Doesn't matter, there's too much of the curtain drawn back to get a majority of Democratic socialists behind illegal migration support.

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    mexicans coming here are criminals?
    Yes.

    actually, they commit less crime than most americans 
    So many answers.
    1. So we should add criminals because the ones we have are worse? This is a brain dead argument.
    2. Lie, when you say "most Americans", you are including the millions of illegal criminals already let in by liberals.
    3. So what? Any crime should disqualify them. Any.

    the wall makes sense?
    Yes. Perfect sense.

    if we really wanted to stop them from stealing jobs, we'd enforce the rules about not hiring immigrants.
    So let them in and then deny them jobs? How about not letting them in, in the first place? Makes too much sense eh? I bet you want the govt to give free money to all those illegals who can't work.

    Is thinking really so hard for liberals?

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    by your logic canada should build a wall to keep out americans, cause some of the americans who go there will commit crimes. 


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    So let them in and then deny them jobs? 

    If that happened in the first place, they wouldn't keep coming.

    Supply and demand is always at play.  Some one is supplying jobs.  Some one is paying under the table.  Some one is giving people motivation to come here.  Its really easy to harp on sanctuary cities when Perdue and Tyson pretty much have established their own bank to settle up with illegals on pay day.

    ICE literally cuts deals with certain ag suppliers to take only a percentage of their labor force on any given raid.  

    Its almost like people are trying to keep the price of food unrealistically low, for some reason.  Hm.
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    My cheap food tastes like Mexican slaves. Yum.
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    If Canada wanted, yes!

    If Americans were pouring into Canada being less educated, with a culture of poverty and crime, sucking up their resources, yes!

    But you aren't thinking. The situation is different between the US and Canada. Do you think we're simply advocating walls because there is a border there? Does it not occur to you that we are addressing the particular situation between Mexico and America?

    If you do then how can you say something as stupid as, "by your logic canada should build a wall to keep out americans"? Are Americans flooding into Canada? Are they illegally staying? Are they taxing the Canadian health system? Going on welfare in Canada? Do Americans have a 3rd world culture different from Canada?

    Please, if you will not think, don't post to me. Yeesh.
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    I would like to expose the liberal thinking hidden in this post. Observe

    So let them in and then deny them jobs?

    If that happened in the first place, they wouldn't keep coming.
    That was my point. But liberals never think of that.

    Supply and demand is always at play.
    So?

    Some one is supplying jobs.  Some one is paying under the table.
    How do you know? This smells a lot like "Occupy Stupidity", a conspiracy theory that the rich are out to get us.

    Some one is giving people motivation to come here.
    Yeah. Liberals.

    Its really easy to harp on sanctuary cities when Perdue and Tyson pretty much have established their own bank to settle up with illegals on pay day.
    Cities have many more people than banks. Again, this smells a lot like "Occupy Stupidity", a conspiracy theory that the rich are out to get us.

    ICE literally cuts deals with certain ag suppliers to take only a percentage of their labor force on any given raid.  
    How do you know this? And if you are correct, why are you against the law being enforced?

    Its almost like people are trying to keep the price of food unrealistically low, for some reason.  Hm.
    So, the majority of citizens who want illegal immigration stopped, don't like low food prices? But the omnibenevolent government is fighting to keep them fed? Against the evil banks and evil ICE?  

    You think Americans would starve without immigration. You love immigration, but still condemn the rich whom you say bring them in. You want no borders, and no ICE, but I bet you still want the big govt to collect our money to support all the illegals that will pour over the invisible border.

    Gentle Reader, can you smell the liberal stink running throughout this post posing as reason?
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    Free stuff plus jobs is why people are jumping the fence. Billions of dollars are spent every year by NGO's worldwide to help migrate "refugees"
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    Still waiting for your exposition.

    How do you know? 
    ^ is that where you exposed something?  

    I think its your ignorance, not a hole in my point.

    Cities have many more people than banks. 
    Surely, that is where something was exposed.  Oh, wait, no, its something irrelevant.

    How do you know this? 
    Not a typo, folks.  Just asked it twice on his quest to expose something.

    So, the majority of citizens who want illegal immigration stopped, don't like low food prices? But the omnibenevolent government is fighting to keep them fed? Against the evil banks and evil ICE? 
    Yes, the government fights to keep people fed.  Ag is subsidized a huge amount, on top of selective enforcement when it comes to ICE raids.  RE Evil banks, if you are referring to Perdue and Tyson, those companies that I mentioned as being "evil banks", I am confident indeed you have exposed something, inability to follow context being a portion of it.

    A casual search on your end of "ICE raid" followed up with Perdue or Tyson should bring you up to a level you might be capable of continuing the discussion at.


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    Still waiting for your exposition.
    As are not the readers who got a whiff of the stink of liberalism wafting from your lame argument.

    Some one is paying under the table.
    How do you know?
    ^ is that where you exposed something?
    Don't worry. We'll take you word for it.

    I think its your ignorance, not a hole in my point.
    I sure am ignorant about how you know someone is paying under the table. Your point is lacking a point.

    Perdue and Tyson pretty much have established their own bank to settle up with illegals on pay day.
    Cities have many more people than banks.
    Surely, that is where something was exposed.  Oh, wait, no, its something irrelevant.
    Sanctuary cities. Your bias was exposed, keep thinking it isn't relevant.

    ICE literally cuts deals with certain ag suppliers to take only a percentage of their labor force on any given raid.  
    How do you know this?

    Not a typo, folks.  Just asked it twice on his quest to expose something.
    And again you can't say. Something is being exposed alright. How in the world can you be satisfied with a worldview that requires you to lie?

    So, the majority of citizens who want illegal immigration stopped, don't like low food prices? But the omnibenevolent government is fighting to keep them fed? Against the evil banks and evil ICE? 

    Yes, the government fights to keep people fed. 
    Fights who? As their citizens oppose it? Perhaps you should start using you brain now. You do have one right?

    Ag is subsidized a huge amount, on top of selective enforcement when it comes to ICE raids.
    How do you know this? (I know you have no idea, I just like asking you and then seeing you lie.)

    RE Evil banks, if you are referring to Perdue and Tyson, those companies that I mentioned as being "evil banks", I am confident indeed you have exposed something, inability to follow context being a portion of it.
    You seem to fear "exposure" a lot. Could you be lying?

    A casual search on your end of "ICE raid" followed up with Perdue or Tyson should bring you up to a level you might be capable of continuing the discussion at.

    No illegality by ICE was mentioned. To keep to your PC liberal dogma, you've dodged and played obtuse. Instead of answering the simple questions, "How do you know?" You dodged and pretended retardation.

    Your simplistic "capitalism bad" PC dogma will not fly here. You and your antifa hoards will not "occupy" Dart. You will have to tell us how you know the charges you make, or they will get dismissed as the unsupported trash they are.

    Some one is giving people motivation to come here.
    Yeah. Liberals.

    See? I didn't have to ask you how you know this. We all know its liberals. No need for you to pretend. Relieved?
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    Apparently Mexico has had enough of the "caravans"



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    How do you know?

    Research.  I am not interested in citing sources, I have seen where that gets with you, its just one huge rabbit hole of "liberal source, liberal source, liberal source".

    I sure am ignorant about how you know someone is paying under the table.
    So ICE conducts a raid, grabs a whole mess load of people (as mentioned in the article I gave you to spring board from), how do you think those illegals are being paid?  They are gonna take their check down to First National, present ID, and cash it?

    And again you can't say.
    Your incredulity isn't an argument, I have no need to address it.

    Fights who?
    Wrong question.  Engage your brain, and think of the right question, and come back to the table.

    As their citizens oppose it?
    Have you ever heard the term "fighting" or "voting" against one's own best interest?  

    How do you know this?
    One again, your incredulity is not an argument, I have no need to address it.

    No illegality by ICE was mentioned. 

    Did I say ICE was doing something illegal?  Or did I say they cut a deal with Ag firms?  A cop not pulling over a speeder doesn't mean he did something illegal, so it goes with ICE not rounding up work camps en masse.  

    "How do you know?" You dodged and pretended retardation.
    I have no need to answer this, Ethan.  Its not a counter point.  If you have questions about the issue at hand, feel free to fire them off, I look forward to your questions.  An appropriate question would be "Wait, how much, as an example was Ag companies subsidized", to which I would say something to the effect of "Well, in 2017, the dairy industry alone received something to the tune of 160 billion.  You can understand why now Canadians don't want to trade fairly with the US, if the marketplace at the time now is valued well under 10 Billion."  That would be an appropriate question.  

    You will have to tell us how you know the charges you make, or they will get dismissed as the unsupported trash they are.
    I am afraid you will have to be content with the simple notion that "Some one knows more than you" or "some one has researched more than you"  or "some one pays attention closer than you".

    I answer oppositional points, not your incredulity.  

    Your resort now is to either "research", or sputter.

    I am confident I know which you will choose.
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    It's everyone with common sense.
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    How do you know?

    Research.
    Lol. OK slick.

    And again you can't say.

    Your incredulity isn't an argument, I have no need to address it.
    OK slick.

    Fights who?

    Wrong question.
    Sorry, you haven't given me a list of acceptable questions yet. But you did say the govt fights. Did you forget?

    As their citizens oppose it?

    Have you ever heard the term "fighting" or "voting" against one's own best interest?  
    Can you smell the "big govt good" stench? Govt is working for our best interests and we don't know it.

    How do you know this?

    One again, your incredulity is not an argument, I have no need to address it.
    OK slick

    No illegality by ICE was mentioned. 

    Did I say ICE was doing something illegal?
    Yes. Let me refresh you slick.

    ...selective enforcement when it comes to ICE raids.
    ICE literally cuts deals with certain ag suppliers to take only a percentage of their labor force on any given raid.
    Again, how can a worldview that requires you to lie be satisfying to you?

    I am afraid you will have to be content with the simple notion that "Some one knows more than you" or "some one has researched more than you"  or "some one pays attention closer than you".
    As long as we can see, and we can see, that that person isn't you.

    As you have now reached your usual place where you edit posts and pretend retardation, telling me questions are "incredulity", I will leave you till you become rational again.

    Be sure to send me a list of the questions I should ask you. Lol.