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@Sidewalker
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Didn't Trump say that?
Jesus said
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God Calls Moses
3 One day while Moses was taking care of the sheep and goats of his father-in-law Jethro, the priest of Midian, he led the flock across the desert and came to Sinai, the holy mountain. 2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him as a flame coming from the middle of a bush. Moses saw that the bush was on fire but that it was not burning up. 3 “This is strange,” he thought. “Why isn't the bush burning up? I will go closer and see.”
4 When the Lord saw that Moses was coming closer, he called to him from the middle of the bush and said, “Moses! Moses!”
He answered, “Yes, here I am.”
5 God said, “Do not come any closer. Take off your sandals, because you are standing on holy ground. 6 I am the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.” So Moses covered his face, because he was afraid to look at God.
3 One day while Moses was taking care of the sheep and goats of his father-in-law Jethro, the priest of Midian, he led the flock across the desert and came to Sinai, the holy mountain. 2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him as a flame coming from the middle of a bush. Moses saw that the bush was on fire but that it was not burning up. 3 “This is strange,” he thought. “Why isn't the bush burning up? I will go closer and see.”
4 When the Lord saw that Moses was coming closer, he called to him from the middle of the bush and said, “Moses! Moses!”
He answered, “Yes, here I am.”
5 God said, “Do not come any closer. Take off your sandals, because you are standing on holy ground. 6 I am the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.” So Moses covered his face, because he was afraid to look at God.
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@FLRW
God Calls Moses3 One day while Moses was taking care of the sheep and goats of his father-in-law Jethro, the priest of Midian, he led the flock across the desert and came to Sinai, the holy mountain. 2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him as a flame coming from the middle of a bush. Moses saw that the bush was on fire but that it was not burning up. 3 “This is strange,” he thought. “Why isn't the bush burning up? I will go closer and see.”4 When the Lord saw that Moses was coming closer, he called to him from the middle of the bush and said, “Moses! Moses!”He answered, “Yes, here I am.”5 God said, “Do not come any closer. Take off your sandals, because you are standing on holy ground. 6 I am the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.” So Moses covered his face, because he was afraid to look at God.
What did Jesus say? That’s the topic.
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@Shila
According to the majority viewpoint.
A majority of who.
And from where was their viewpoint acquired.
I think you will find, that the majority of people are prepared just to unquestioningly accept that the bible was compiled by someone or someone's.
I also expect that the majority of people wouldn't have a clue about who might have had a hand in the composition of the first five chapters.
I further expect that the majority of people although recognising the biblical name Moses, would probably not have a clue as to what he supposedly did, nor when he did it.
I even further expect, that most labelled but lapsed Christians know very little if anything al all, about the first five books of the old testament and Moses's purported hand in their composition.
I'm guessing that what you mean, is a majority of biased theological nerds.
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@zedvictor4
I'm guessing that what you mean, is a majority of biased theological nerds.
The majority of biblical scholars.
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@Shila
The majority of biblical scholars.
That's what I said.
Who probably make up 0.0000001% of the population.
NB. (0.0000001% may or may not be an exaggeration).
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@zedvictor4
The majority of biblical scholars.That's what I said.Who probably make up 0.0000001% of the population.NB. (0.0000001% may or may not be an exaggeration).
Hard to get majority recognition in any profession. But biblical scholars hold a majority viewpoint about the Bible.
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@Shila
Like I suggested.
Out of a very small clique of biblical scholars, perhaps a majority will hold similar views about Moses and his writing skills.
Though perhaps we should say chiselling skills.
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@zedvictor4
Like I suggested.Out of a very small clique of biblical scholars, perhaps a majority will hold similar views about Moses and his writing skills.Though perhaps we should say chiselling skills.
It survived over 2 thousand years.
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@Shila
It survived over 2 thousand years.
What?
The nonevidence based collective assumption made by a few "biblical scholars", that a guy named Moses might have put chisel to stone.
Were they reincarnated Buddhists?
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@zedvictor4
It survived over 2 thousand years.What?The nonevidence based collective assumption made by a few "biblical scholars", that a guy named Moses might have put chisel to stone.Were they reincarnated Buddhists?
The biblical scholarly views survived over 2 thousand years.
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@FLRW
@Shila
Written or chiselled.
But yep, sort of proves that there was other stuff, before they invented the OT, and later Christianity.
And scholars are as scholars want to do.
So FLRW is a scholar because he knows stuff, and can confirm a 5500 year old clay tablet.
And seemingly stuff occurred in Mesopotamia, long before Moses went hiking.
And presumably stuff happened 5500 years before that...So I am a scholar too.
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@zedvictor4
But yep, sort of proves that there was other stuff, before they invented the OT, and later Christianity.
You must mean Buddhism and Hinduism.
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@Shila
Buddhists and Hindus.
Yep, them too.
But regionally I was referring to Mesopotamian peoples.
Though everywhere that people existed at any given time in the past, then said people would have been doing stuff.
Bit silly to think that people just stood around motionless for millennia, not thinking or doing stuff.
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@zedvictor4
Buddhists and Hindus.Yep, them too.But regionally I was referring to Mesopotamian peoples.Though everywhere that people existed at any given time in the past, then said people would have been doing stuff.Bit silly to think that people just stood around motionless for millennia, not thinking or doing stuff.
They were waiting for their alien gods to return.
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@Shila
Maybe.
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@zedvictor4
Maybe.
That is why they accepted Jesus when he said.
John 8:23
Jesus answered, "You belong to this world here below, but I come from above. You are from this world, but I am not from this world.
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@Shila
Who said?
Jesus or John.
Why would Jesus answer himself?
Unless he was mad, of course.
Ahhhh...Perhaps you just hit the nail on the head.
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@zedvictor4
Who said?Jesus or John.
Jesus said this at his trial before Pilate.
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@Shila
Was John taking notes?
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@zedvictor4
Was John taking notes?
John wrote it in John 8:23.
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@Shila
So John wrote John in the courtroom?
Funny thing is, when one researches such matters there is no conclusive data available.
Though it is generally agreed that The Book of John was compiled sometime after Jesus's execution, and not necessarily written by John.
In fact, it's all a bit sketchy and hotchpotch.
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@zedvictor4
So John wrote John in the courtroom?Funny thing is, when one researches such matters there is no conclusive data available.Though it is generally agreed that The Book of John was compiled sometime after Jesus's execution, and not necessarily written by John.In fact, it's all a bit sketchy and hotchpotch.
It remains an eyewitness account.
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@Shila
It remains an eyewitness account.
In so much as, what went down was witnessed by Jesus's boyfriend, who told someone else, who told someone else, who told someone else, who jotted it down and gave it to someone else, who translated it and jotted it down and gave it to someone else, who translated it again and jotted it down and gave it to someone else.
Eventually it ended up being jotted down and included in a best seller, that was translated and transcribed into many languages many times.
Such is an eyewitness account.
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@zedvictor4
It remains an eyewitness account.In so much as, what went down was witnessed by Jesus's boyfriend, who told someone else, who told someone else, who told someone else, who jotted it down and gave it to someone else, who translated it and jotted it down and gave it to someone else, who translated it again and jotted it down and gave it to someone else.Eventually it ended up being jotted down and included in a best seller, that was translated and transcribed into many languages many times.Such is an eyewitness account.
Jesus was eventually crucified proving the blasphemy charges were real.
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@Shila
Jesus!
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@Shila
Did his Stepdad daft Joe go to the trial?
Never hear much of daft Joe these days.
Are there any reliable eyewitness accounts?
Probably had to move away for a big carpentry job.
Maybe daft when it comes to women, but does a damn fine mortice and tenon.
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@zedvictor4
Did his Stepdad daft Joe go to the trial?Never hear much of daft Joe these days.Are there any reliable eyewitness accounts?Probably had to move away for a big carpentry job.Maybe daft when it comes to women, but does a damn fine mortice and tenon.
His father, Joseph, was deceased by the time Jesus began his public ministry. So he was not held accountable.
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@Shila
St. Joseph died in 0020.