Does your ideology include a clause that says you should raise hell against evil religions?

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01.25.2022 08:16AM

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@Stephen

The question of religion is a good one. And it depends upon the definition that is used.

1. On one definition - religion is a viewpoint or belief system that includes a supernatural being or principle that is used per the Australian definition.

2. Another definition used is worldview - used broadly to include secular humanism as per the American understanding and all other non-Western points of view.

3. Religion is also defined - as to do with orphans and widows - charitable work.

4. Religion is also defined by some Christian folk as trying to earn your way to God. Christianity according to these Christians would not fall under the religion definition because salvation is a free gift of grace not something you earn.

Hence, depending upon which definition you use and who you are talking to - can quite easily give you a contradictory point of view.

I think each of these definitions has a practical use for religion and the context used will obviously provide how to use it.

In the three ways used above - that you have referred to me:

Christianity is the only true religion - it would fall under 1-3. When I say I don't agree with religion - I am using it in the sense of definition 4. And when I talk about abolishing it - I am referring to definition no 4. I might add that I disagree totally with the definition 1 but accept it in practice when discussing some discussions. One very practical problem of deleting the initial definition as a matter of law - is the idea of tax in the Australian system. I don't know how the American one deals with it - in such a broad definition. In Australia - churches don't generally pay tax if they are a charity and are doing charitable work. If the definition used took a much broader one - suddenly it would include anyone who simply considers themselves a worldview and the courts have generally dismissed such thinking.

I don't know whether this helps or not. But there you have it.

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01.26.2022 05:13PM

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@Tradesecret

Tradesecret wrote:
1. On one definition - religion is a viewpoint or belief system that includes a supernatural being or principle that is used per the Australian definition.
2. Another definition used is worldview - used broadly to include secular humanism as per the American understanding and all other non-Western points of view.

3. Religion is also defined - as to do with orphans and widows - charitable work.

4. Religion is also defined by some Christian folk as trying to earn your way to God. Christianity according to these Christians would not fall under the religion definition because salvation is a free gift of grace not something you earn.

Hence, depending upon which definition you use and who you are talking to - can quite easily give you a contradictory point of view.

I think each of these definitions has a practical use for religion and the context used will obviously provide how to use it.

I don't know what Castin will make of your contradictory doublespeak considering the word religion ( a Roman word)simply means 'to bind ', and the word religion is only mentioned about five times in the whole of the bible and all references are to the Jews. But OK . Just so we are clear. Keeping in mind that you/we are speaking of the Christian religion;

Which definition were YOU using when you said :

Tradesecret wrote: "I think Christianity is the ONLY true and correct religion". #48

And which definition were YOU using when you also wrote:

Tradesecret wrote: "I don't agree with religion;#60

And which definition were YOU using when you also wrote:

Tradesecret wrote: I don't think any religion is right#60

And which definition were YOU using when you also wrote:

Tradesecret wrote: I have never believed in religion.#52

And which definition were YOU using when you also wrote:

Tradesecret wrote:"Religion ought to be abolished from my point of view".#52

What religion/s do YOU believe should be abolished?

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01.26.2022 09:53PM

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@Stephen

If you look above Stephen,

in the post that you half quoted -

you will see that I answered those questions.

Of course - if you didn't understand as per usual.

You can go and try and read it again.

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01.27.2022 07:31AM

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@Tradesecret

Of course - if you didn't understand as per usual.

What you have done with your post #33 is attempt to cover your arse and your contradiction. I simply want to know what definition you had in mind when you said all the above. its not a difficult question.

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01.27.2022 10:09PM

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@Stephen

What you have done with your post #33 is attempt to cover your arse and your contradiction. I simply want to know what definition you had in mind when you said all the above. its not a difficult question.

It is a simple question in that regard. Yet if you read post 33 - you will see which definitions I used. I see no reason to prolong this discussion. If you can't read and understand that post in 33 - then no matter how long we discuss it - will suddenly you begin to see. You simply do not have the capacity to use your brain cells. Something to do with your masonic or secret society background probably.

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01.28.2022 08:41PM

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@Deb-8-a-bull

Yes.

All moral people will speak against evil or immoral practices.

That excludes all homophobes and misogynists in the right wings of politics and religions.

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01.28.2022 08:47PM

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@Stephen

"What religion/s do YOU believe should be abolished?"

All religions that asks/forces parents to hate their gay or female children by preaching homophobia and misogyny.

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08.25.2022 04:36PM

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@GnosticChristianBishop

Does your ideology include a clause that says you should raise hell against evil religions?

Seems like a decent overall ideology.

Does your ideology include a clause that says you should raise hell against evil religions?

This, --- for evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing, --- is a part of my ideology/theology, given that I call myself a Gnostic Christian.

Does yours, and how do you exercise that degrading chore?

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DL

Evil religions tend to attract evil doers. So they deserve each other.

Holding one’s nose helps to keep the stench out.

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08.27.2022 05:30PM

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@Shila

I cannot agree.

Most religious are moral agents.

Most do not and cannot walk their religious talk in most sane and just nations.

Society would not allow it elsewhere in the free world.

We are all natural mimics and slaved to our tribal natures.

We crave fellowship and that can only be found in tribes and groups, regardless of the ism the group is mimicking.

It is great that the God religions are dying and the religions that put man above God are gaining converts.

Religions overall, as I see things, are all going Gnostic.

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08.27.2022 07:26PM

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@GnosticChristianBishop

I cannot agree.

Most religious are moral agents.

Most do not and cannot walk their religious talk in most sane and just nations.

Society would not allow it elsewhere in the free world.

We are all natural mimics and slaved to our tribal natures.

We crave fellowship and that can only be found in tribes and groups, regardless of the ism the group is mimicking.

It is great that the God religions are dying and the religions that put man above God are gaining converts.

Religions overall, as I see things, are all going Gnostic.

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DL

Gnosticism is a first century religion that was superseded by Christianity.

The Gospel of Thomas strips Jesus of all miraculous powers and reduces him to a religious teacher. Gnostics believe God is the domain of the enlightened. You don’t appear even remotely enlightened.

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08.27.2022 07:46PM

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@Shila

Superseded???

You mean we were exterminated by those of your inquisitor ilk.

You will not be enlightened by me if you continue to believe in the supernatural and miracles that allow you to abdicate your own responsibilities.

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08.27.2022 08:20PM

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@GnosticChristianBishop

Superseded???

You mean we were exterminated by those of your inquisitor ilk.

You will not be enlightened by me if you continue to believe in the supernatural and miracles that allow you to abdicate your own responsibilities.

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DL

The Jews were not impressed with Jesus’s miracles. They needed a saviour who would rid them of the Romans.

John 10:32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

The Jews were proven right. Without the supernatural miracles the Jews could not overthrow the Romans. The Romans went on to crucify a Jesus, destroy the Holy Temple and slaughter the Jews.

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08.28.2022 03:23PM

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@Shila

To believe in miracles or the supernatural, is not the brightest way to think.

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08.28.2022 03:59PM

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@GnosticChristianBishop

To believe in miracles or the supernatural, is not the brightest way to think.

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DL

The Jews were proven right. Without the supernatural miracles the Jews could not overthrow the Romans. The Romans went on to crucify a Jesus, destroy the Holy Temple and slaughter the Jews.

History proves even the dull thinking Jews were right. They needed a saviour with supernatural powers who would rid them of the Romans. Jesus was powerless against the Romans.

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08.29.2022 02:00PM

Their need was obviously not met.

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08.29.2022 03:35PM

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@GnosticChristianBishop

Their need was obviously not met.

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DL

If the Jews did not run out of patience they would have benefited from the Roman occupation.

The Romans went on to create the Roman Catholic Church which has over a billion followers. The Roman Catholic Church is built on Jesus a Jew and his disciples who were also Jews.

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08.29.2022 04:46PM

Compare the Jewish view and whatever view others put into the die for me Jesus delusion.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

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