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@Yassine
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@RationalMadman
- The entire West: Europe, US, Canada, & Australia. – For instance, the wide-scale kidnapping & bondage of native & indigenous children to be "civilized" into White debauched culture in North America & Australia. The kidnapping & enslavement of Swiss low-class children of in-debt or poor parents to be sold into farms or factories. The kidnapping & captivity of immigrant children to be brainwashed & reassigned under White families.
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@Yassine
What the actual fuck are you talking about?
The cultures you just stated are among the single most open to immigrants maintaining their culture and religious outlooks, as well as developing a more secular approach within their own nation in the first place.
Are you talking about something 1920s and before?
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@Yassine
Can you give me actual examples of these accusations?
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@RationalMadman
What the actual fuck are you talking about?
- Your vomit inducing History & culture.
The cultures you just stated are among the single most open to immigrants maintaining their culture and religious outlooks
- On the absolute contrary. No culture or society in Human History has been more antithetical to other's cultures than European/Western. You're speaking of slogans & labels you've been indoctrinated into since baby age, those don't mean anything. Reality is otherwise. Case in point, even you yourselves are revolted by the practices of your predecessors a couple of decades ago, who in their turn revolted by the practices of their predecessors, & so on. It is just that you don't see how revolting your practices are today because of the immense & incessant indoctrination & propaganda you've been exposed to all your life to accept them. But to us today or to your successors tomorrow, not be exposed to these same indoctrinations, the disgust is there.
, as well as developing a more secular approach within their own nation in the first place.
- Indeed. By force of law, international conventions, foreign policies, economic pressure, blockades & up to violence & invasions.
Are you talking about something 1920s and before?
- I'm talking about your entire History until today. The practice of kidnapping children from their minority parents into bondage -due to socioeconomic or moral reasons- has been a widely common practice in the West for centuries, & still is. This fundamentally stems from three reasons.
- One, the extremely xenophobic nature of European mentality -overall, though more pronounced in some ethnicities than others. Indeed, this gave European ethnic groups heightened senses of in-group loyalty & solidarity which allowed them to more easily overcome their enemies & dominate others. This was true when European identity was tribal, such as in the case of Goths & Normands. It was still true when the identity became religious, starting with the Frankish state, to the Holy Roman Empire, & the subsequent states of the Spanish Empire & so on. & it is still just as true when their identity became national & secular. In all these times & all these cases, the other is simply unacceptable, at the very least intolerable. Hence, the religious wars in Europe lasting 7 centuries which caused the deaths of dozens of millions of people; many sects or Christian denominations or indigenous religions were annihilated in the process. When religious identity waned in the continent in favor of a secular one -particularly racial & nationalistic, other races & nations became thus intolerable -including the religious nation. The Church then subjugated to the State, under the banner of "Separation of Church & State", with very limited religious freedom granted in practice within the secular framework. Two world wars were fought for that effect. – In the Secular Liberal Western country, others can only be subjugated & their mores ever intolerable. Not only are the minority's mores NOT allowed to inform the law, court, or the policies (or any systemic institution like education & academia) whatsoever, these mores are not allowed to inform the minority's own choices & practices apart from the majority. For instance, Muslims (or natives, or otherwise) will never be allowed to practice their faith freely or their native customs, unless outside the restraints of Secular system. – Particularly, the kidnapping of children is a simply way to insure conformity to the majority system, in case of fear of non-adherence.
- Two, the totalitarian nature of the Western system itself. Either, as a Christian Monarchic system, or as Liberal Secular Democratic system, for each of these qualifier is antithetical to minority droit. Liberalism is conducive to individualist privilege at the expense of the community, thus minority destruction -itself a community. Secularism entails the secular supersession over all other moral & ethical norms, especially over minority morality & ethics. Democracy is literally rule of the majority against the minority. – Upholding such system & insuring its stability necessitates maximizing conformity in morality & minimizing community dissent. Children perceived to be potential non-adherents are kidnapped to remove that risk.
- Three, honestly just because they can & they get away with it. Protestant White children are never kidnapped to be brought up in Catholicism, yet Muslim or native children often are. Utter disdain of the other coupled with the power to impose one's will without repercussion, will inevitable result in such continuous massive scale kidnappings.
Can you give me actual examples of these accusations?
- Native American children were systematically abducted from their parents or coerced into boarding schools from the 17th century up to the late 1970s to be "civilized". In Switzerland, as recently as the 1980s, 'slave children' were abducted from their parents if they are indebted or poor or from minority ethnicities & sold in auctions to farms or factories for labor. Similar disgusting abductions were practiced elsewhere in Europe, or in Canada & Australia, & still are today. For instance, in many European countries -if not all, it's very common for immigrant children (sometimes even native) to be abducted by the state from their parents to be "civilized" & brainwashed in Western institutions then thrown into White families, under the pretext of "protecting" children from traditional "uncivilized" beliefs & customs.
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@Yassine
You have typed things without giving examples...
Are you referring to what the Chinese government did to the Uyghur people recently?
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@Yassine
Can you please give sources backing up what you're saying has happened?
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@RationalMadman
yassine will give you an infinite amount of empty claims none of which is true ,
So, you should beat the crap out of somebody for making a joke?- You mean this:
this couldn't be any less of you did the same so that makes it ok
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churchill kicked the jews out ? good luck proving that .
the jews moved by themselves to Jerusalem , who"s fault is that ? the fault of a certain mufti who decided to side with the most racist man in the world
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@RationalMadman
You have typed things without giving examples...
- I have provided several.
Are you referring to what the Chinese government did to the Uyghur people recently?
- LOL! What the West does every day to Muslims in their own countries is far worse than what the Chinese are doing to the Uyghur (if we believe western reports about this anyways).
Can you please give sources backing up what you're saying has happened?
- It would've taken you two seconds to Google the examples I mentioned... Regardless, The Indian Child Welfare Act in 1978 gave, for the first time, Native American parents the right to refuse their children's abduction into boarding or public schools. In Canada, Native children enslavement continued until late 1990s. Beyond the systematic removal of their culture culture, language & history, they were also subject to abuse, torture, rape, forced labor, starvation, & often used as lab rats. – In Switzerland, until the 1980s, hundreds of children were abducted from their parents under the pretext that they are poor or Gypsies & auctioned to be sold at the cheapest princes to farmers to work as slaves, the Verdingkinder. They too suffered immense physical, psychological & even sexual abuse. – Sweden (along with the other Nordic countries) still practices this today. 300,000 children abducted from their parents & forcibly placed into foster families, under social-economic & ideological pretexts, by the rightly called: "child care & abduction industry". Just like its American counterpart, it is aimed at "civilizing" children of "savage" parents... "sole parent families,
economically and educationally weaker families, families with health challenges and
immigrant parents are targeted by the social services in Sweden, Norway, Denmark and
Finland. Also parents with religious and philosophical beliefs, which do not seem to be
politically accepted, are often deemed as unsuitable parents".
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@Yassine
What the West does every day to Muslims in their own countries is far worse than what the Chinese are doing to the Uyghur (if we believe western reports about this anyways).
Can you please give examples of this and compare?
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@Yassine
It would've taken you two seconds to Google the examples I mentioned... Regardless, The Indian Child Welfare Act in 1978 gave, for the first time, Native American parents the right to refuse their children's abduction into boarding or public schools.
Okay, and do you think this is a bad thing?
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@Yassine
. In Canada, Native children enslavement continued until late 1990s. Beyond the systematic removal of their culture culture, language & history, they were also subject to abuse, torture, rape, forced labor, starvation, & often used as lab rats.
If we read your link, the school operated in 1901 and around that time, not past the 1990s, please provide evidence of this.
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@Yassine
Can you explain how abused children are protected from their abusive parents in Islamic cultures? You are calling any intervention 'abduction' is this correct?
It is indeed bad that child labour happened in Switzerland until the 1960s, not 1980s. I am confused why you are referring to that as what is still happening in the West.
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@Yassine
Would you like me to give you examples of how workers are treated in Islamic Arab nations? As in, general workers not even just extreme cases. The working class is often specifically imported foreignors from India, Pakistan, Philippenes etc and they are underpaid, in terrible conditions and such.
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@RationalMadman
Can you please give examples of this
- Sure. In France, it is compulsory for children 3 years of age to attend public school (home schooling is banned), to be subject to the systematic indoctrination into French culture & "values", such as democracy, secularism, liberalism, LGBT propaganda, sexual freedom, gender theory from very young age. Any attempt from parents to dissuade children from this debauchery, such as to teach your children gender segregation or biological genders or chastity or any form of religious primacy, or any failure to show up in school is punishable by law. The punishment ranges from prison sentence, to abduction of your children up to deportation. – If we believe western reports on China's treatment of the Uyghur, which I know for a fact are lies. According to these reports, China -allegedly- takes Uyghur adults suspect of harboring separatist views into training camps to be indoctrinated into Chinese & communist views & taught Chinese language & vocational skills, who are then recruited into various factories in Xinjiang in -allegedly- forced labour.
and compare?
- Let's see... If we suppose China actually does what the West says it does:
- China -allegedly- abduct adults. France factually abducts literally babies, to insure perfect indoctrination.
- China's campaign is aimed at a single ethnic group among 10 Muslim ethnic groups (& 56 total minority groups). France's campaign is aimed at literally all minorities, including all Muslims.
- China takes those who are suspect of harboring separatist views (according to them), from a people known for a century old separatist movement, which often resulted in conflict. France takes innocent babies & children.
- China conducts this campaign in designated training camps, leaving public schools & universities unaffected. France conducts this disgusting campaign in f*cking public schools!
- China's indoctrination is largely political & about allegiance to the state, they don't care about anything else. France's indoctrination is totalitarian, touching even on personal choices, sexual practices & religious beliefs. They even organize boyfriend-girlfriend sessions for little kids or make them cross-dress, against which a parent may not protest.
- China does not prevent these adults from receiving alternative education from family or others. France punishes any attempt to alternative education.
- China's education in these camps lasts a short amount of time, months or a year a most. France's compulsory education lasts 15 years, until the age 18. In fact, it is illegal for a Muslim girl below 18 to wear the Hijab in school or in public (but she can have sex with an adult at 15).
- China's Uyghur in these camps know they are being indoctrinated, as they are told. France's children are told they are being saved.
- China's other Muslim ethic groups (such as the Hui, Khazakh, Tatar...) or Uyghur residing outside Xinjiang are not subject to this training. France's Muslims all are.
- China's education camps actually provide opportunities for the graduates, the ability to work anywhere in China (since they learn Chinese) & a guaranteed job afterwords. France's indoctrination camps, aka schools, only goals is indoctrination itself.
- China is doing this for three necessary reasons, to combat actual militant separatism, to integrate the non-Hans into the wider Chinese nation (hence teaching Chinese), & to create a native working force in Xinjiang (hence the vocational training), as the main region for three essential industries in the country: Cotton industry, Oil industry & Solar industry. France is doing these thing simply to remove Islam & other traditional worldviwes from its country, as there is no real separatism & all minority children speak French anyways.
Okay, and do you think this is a bad thing?
- You skipped this part: "Beyond the systematic removal of their culture culture, language & history, they were also subject to abuse, torture, rape, forced labor, starvation, & often used as lab rats".
If we read your link, the school operated in 1901 and around that time, not past the 1990s, please provide evidence of this.
- Just admit you didn't read the article: "Parental visits were further restricted by the use of a pass system designed to confine Indigenous peoples to reserves. The last federally-funded residential school, Kivalliq Hall in Rankin Inlet, closed in 1997."
Can you explain how abused children are protected from their abusive parents in Islamic cultures?
- LOL! Yeah, that's not going to work. Nice red-herring. Why don't you start by addressing these crimes your countries perpetrated against their own children instead of evading the issue at every turn.
You are calling any intervention 'abduction' is this correct?
- Forcibly removing children from their parents or coercing them away is, by definition, abduction.
It is indeed bad that child labour happened in Switzerland until the 1960s, not 1980s.
- It's not child labour buddy, it's child abduction & slavery! & it did indeed last until the 1980s: "In a practice that lasted in Switzerland until 1981". In reality, it lasted until 2010s, because these children were never brought back to their families or compensated for their suffering until 2014.
I am confused why you are referring to that as what is still happening in the West.
- Conveniently deleting examples of why that is the case to pretend it isn't, is quite hilarious! Head in the sand tactic, LMAO! – Just as I expected. If it's in the past, then you have no problem recognizing the evil & injustice of Western practices, since you haven't been indoctrinated to accept them; contrary to the people who conducted these heinous practices. They rather thought they were doing great things by "saving" "poor" "weak" children from their unlucky fates. But it's in past, so it doesn't matter right? You're probably going to say things like "we progress" "we learn from our mistakes"... say that to the countless people subjected to that suffering! – If it's in the present, then you have no problem with equally heinous Western practices, obviously since you have indeed been conditioned & indoctrinated to accept them. When the Swedish or Canadian social services forcibly remove children from their parents, because these hold unconventional views or are poor or immigrant, to be "saved" & "reintegrated" into Swedish or Canadian institutions & moved through foster homes, it is simply a continuation of similar practices against the Natives -only with different packaging. Back then, Christianity was the norm & the standard, it was ok to abduct Native children from their poor parents, to "kill the Indian & save the man". Today, Christianity no longer holds that sway, instead replaced with more liberal secular beliefs. – It is not that the practice of abducting children has stopped, it is just that the incentives & targets have changed. I'm sure your future successors will come to admit these crimes, just as you do now with your predecessors' crimes.
Would you like me to give you examples of how workers are treated in Islamic Arab nations?
- Well, lookie here. Isn't that a case of "you do it too"...?
As in, general workers not even just extreme cases. The working class is often specifically imported foreignors from India, Pakistan, Philippenes etc and they are underpaid, in terrible conditions and such.
- You're talking about the Gulf states? First of all, there is nothing Islamic about Arab countries. With the exception of Morocco, Jordan & Oman, all other Arab countries are under either secular or modern Islamist military post-colonial regimes. Second of all, the Gulf states are run under a capitalist western system, just like the rest of them in the West. Nevertheless, these laborers have often better conditions than their counterparts in your countries. In the UAE, minimal wage laborers earn between 1000 & 2000 AED monthly salary (equivalent to $520-$1040 net in purchasing power rate), compared to $1120 monthly minimum wage net in the US. However, contrary to the case in the US, in the UAE the employer must pay for accommodation, meals, medical insurance, 10-day paid medical leave, 30-day paid vacation per year, & one-way ticket home per year to their workers. – In truth, without the extensive indoctrination & incessant propaganda they subjugate you under since childhood: "west is best", you would instead be concerned about yourselves & your problems.
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@Yassine
- She wasn't sentenced to death. Nothing happened yet. She was sentenced to 20 years in prison, yet to be ratified by the court.
Yes, she has been sentenced to death. She will sit in prison until she is released or until the sentence is carried out. The 20 years of prison was in addition to the death penalty.
Which is about the same sentence you will get if you blaspheme in Europe or the US, or less.
Not in a European country, you won't. Nor in Australia. Blasphemy is still a charge in many Western Countries - but no one is ever charged with it. And many jurisdictions are discussing removing it from their books.
Like that White couple who got 15 years in prison for insulting a Black family, -
I am not sure what you are talking about - do you have a link? But insulting a black family is not blasphemy. It seems unlikely in a Western Court that some one would get 15 years just for insulting someone - even if it is done with racist intent. Still, I am happy to be shown wrong. Where is the link to this case?
which is what anti-semitic slurs & Holocaust denying gets you in France or Germany. – It mustn't feel great when you're no better than a third world country like Pakistan.
Anti-semitic slurs and holocaust denial is racist. In places like Germany and France or even Israel these charges would be more aggravating than in most Western nations. 15 years would also be the maximum penalty - not the minimium.
For the record, I think blasphemy is a serious matter. Nevertheless, it depends on what country you are in and how the general public perceives it that ought to considered. I would think in a country like Pakistan - that it would aggravating to blaspheme against their predominant religion. If Pakistan was promoting itself as a tolerant country or a multi-cultural nation - it would be silly to have such a law - but it is not its policy or its intent. Most of the country - 98% according to this article are Muslim. Other people in the nation - ought to respect to some degree the majority view. They don't have to agree. But to get frustrated because it applies its own law is a bit precious.
In Australia we have blasphemy laws - never used. Our country might still have a majority of Christians - yet the nation is not promoted as a Christian nation - but as a secular and multi-cultural one. In fact - Christianity is pretty much the only religion or worldview that is permitted to be criticized without repercussion - with the justification that they are the majority or have been pretty horrible in the past and that they deserve any ridicule they receive now.
If someone criticized the Muslim religion here or the Hindu religion they may well be canceled for being intolerant. Yet Christians if they suggest we want to have a nativity scene at Christmas time - get told to shut up and stop being tiring.
Of course the law is still the case that if someone came into a church and disrupted it - it is a criminal offence. I am not sure that anyone would really care- - but it is a criminal offence.
For someone to be sentenced to death in a Muslim Country for disrespecting Muslim ideals is to be expected. Pakistan is not pretending to be a democracy. It is not pretending to be a safe haven for the woke left. It is not pretending to agree with free speech. It is very clear on its laws. They are not the same as Western Laws - so for Western People to be upset is simply intolerant and inconsistent.
It seems to me that those in the West want to be considered tolerant of everyone - but this only really consists of those that agree with them. Personally, despite the fact that I disagree totally with the legal system in Pakistan and its Sharia law - I think that as a sovereign nation it has the prerogative to determine for itself how it legislates morality, the law and regulates its people. I also think it is petty for the West to criticize it by measuring its own self against Pakistan.
There is a place to compare and contrast legal systems and to analyze the same - but it is necessary to provide your basis for the criticism that arises when it arises against a culture. The death penalty for instance is neither good nor bad. It is a punishment that a country - may impose and EVERY country does in some form or another - even those opposed to it. Yet - why is it ok in America to put someone to death for theft or murder and not ok to do it in Pakistan for blasphemy. Each country has laws that reflect its personality. There is nothing intrinsically wrong or incorrect about sentencing someone to death for blasphemy. Of course for an atheist culture -it seems superstitious and dumb. Of course for a culture that values free speech above respect for religion - it will seem nonsensical and even undemocratic.
Yet there is nothing intrinsically wrong about making such a law that reflects where the majority of people in a culture stand. Nor is there anything intrinsically wrong with such a law reflecting ONE dictator in a country.
For it to be intrinsically wrong - one would need to provide a basis for determining right and wrong - perhaps that everyone agrees with - not just democratically minded woke Lefties.
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@Tradesecret
Yes, she has been sentenced to death.
- No.
She will sit in prison until she is released or until the sentence is carried out. The 20 years of prison was in addition to the death penalty.
- No. Lmao! That doesn't even make sense. Death penalty is never actually implemented in blasphemy cases, which are generally dismissed after a while with repentance from the perpetrator. The death penalty is there to scare the shit out of people not to attempt insulting the beloved Prophet (pbuh), otherwise the safety of minorities in the country will be endangered, such as the case of Muslims in India.
Not in a European country, you won't.
- Yes you will.
Nor in Australia.
- Let's see:
- Victoria's Racial and Religious Tolerance Act: "A person must not, on the ground of the religious belief or activity of another person or class of persons, engage in conduct that incites hatred against, serious contempt for, or revulsion or severe ridicule of, that other person or class of persons."
- Western Australia's Criminal Code: "Any person who engages in any conduct, otherwise than in private, by which the person intends to create, promote or increase animosity towards, or harassment of, a racial group, or a person as a member of a racial group, is guilty of a crime and is liable to imprisonment for 14 years."
Blasphemy is still a charge in many Western Countries - but no one is ever charged with it. And many jurisdictions are discussing removing it from their books.
- You just love saying things don't you! Not because things came out of your mouth does that make them true...
I am not sure what you are talking about - do you have a link? But insulting a black family is not blasphemy.
- You seem to want to say racial derogation is not under the category of blasphemy, because it's not designated as such in some countries. That's a fallacy. The merit is not in the label, it's in the content itself. Not because you chose to give it a different name, does that absolve you from the charge. LOL!
It seems unlikely in a Western Court that some one would get 15 years just for insulting someone - even if it is done with racist intent. Still, I am happy to be shown wrong. Where is the link to this case?
Anti-semitic slurs and holocaust denial is racist. In places like Germany and France or even Israel these charges would be more aggravating than in most Western nations. 15 years would also be the maximum penalty - not the minimium.
- You're all over the place. Which is it?
For the record, I think blasphemy is a serious matter. Nevertheless, it depends on what country you are in and how the general public perceives it that ought to considered. I would think in a country like Pakistan - that it would aggravating to blaspheme against their predominant religion. If Pakistan was promoting itself as a tolerant country or a multi-cultural nation - it would be silly to have such a law - but it is not its policy or its intent.
- How you ever been there? Pakistan is in effect much more tolerant & hospitable than most Western countries, if not all. Derogating others & denigrating their sanctities, such is the case in the West, is the opposite of tolerance.
Most of the country - 98% according to this article are Muslim. Other people in the nation - ought to respect to some degree the majority view. They don't have to agree. But to get frustrated because it applies its own law is a bit precious.
- Indeed, agreed.
In Australia we have blasphemy laws - never used.
- Contrary to your wishful thinking, any profanity against sacred or sensitive things for a people is blasphemy. It doesn't have to be profanity against the Christian faith. What is sacred or sensitive to Pakistanis is not the same as such in Germany, or Australia. Each nation has its own cultural & historical conditions from which such boundaries are set.
Our country might still have a majority of Christians - yet the nation is not promoted as a Christian nation - but as a secular and multi-cultural one.
- No. It's not multicultural at all. It's Liberal Secular, unless you mean by 'multi-cultural' superficial diversity, such as skin color & attire & rites & such, as long as said diversity does not affect any systemic institution of the country; namely, law, administration, justice, education, academia...etc.
In fact - Christianity is pretty much the only religion or worldview that is permitted to be criticized without repercussion - with the justification that they are the majority or have been pretty horrible in the past and that they deserve any ridicule they receive now.
- This is total BS, especially in Australia. I don't think I've seen a more Islamophobic country in the Anglosphere than Australia. Christianity in the West is not really criticized as Islam is, for the former is the default cultural religion, while the later is the time-immemorial enemy religion. The Christian faith is pretty well understood & the overwhelming sentiment about its founder -Christ- & its ideals are very positive -never vilified or demonized at any noticeable degree. The opposite is the case for public sentiment about Islam, even if in truth the contrary is the case. – In fact, & in the same way, Islam is constantly criticized by all sorts of modernist groups in the Arab & Muslim world, by secularist, liberals, nationalists, atheists, even christians...
If someone criticized the Muslim religion here or the Hindu religion they may well be canceled for being intolerant. Yet Christians if they suggest we want to have a nativity scene at Christmas time - get told to shut up and stop being tiring. Of course the law is still the case that if someone came into a church and disrupted it - it is a criminal offence. I am not sure that anyone would really care- - but it is a criminal offence.
- I'm more familiar with Australian news than you might've hoped. Australia is the country with the most anti-Islamic in the anglophone world.
For someone to be sentenced to death in a Muslim Country for disrespecting Muslim ideals is to be expected. Pakistan is not pretending to be a democracy.
- Despite my vehement dislike of the tribal system that is democracy, Pakistan is actually a democracy, sadly!
It is not pretending to be a safe haven for the woke left. It is not pretending to agree with free speech. It is very clear on its laws.
- There is fare more free speech in Pakistan for a Muslim than in any western country. I could say a 100 things which would get me in serious trouble in western countries, yet nobody would care about in Pakistan. Drop this "free speech" nonsense. No state allows speech which undermines it, by design, else self-destruction. I can't understand why westerners don't get that this type of propaganda does not work with the rest of the World.
They are not the same as Western Laws - so for Western People to be upset is simply intolerant and inconsistent.
- The West will always be upset about how others conduct their business if doesn't fit with their current feelings, which they think are absolute universals. That, since the time when they had virtually no rights & all violence. The 19th century Ottomans had religious freedom, legal pluralism, rights of property, divorce, education for women, animal rights, of which Europe had none, yet that didn't stop them from being upset & critical. This is part of the very Western mentality & thought paradigm, that's how they justify themselves, & hence their crimes instigated against "evil" & "lesser" others . This mentality is sick & needs to disappear.
It seems to me that those in the West want to be considered tolerant of everyone - but this only really consists of those that agree with them.
- Absolutely agreed. Well said.
Personally, despite the fact that I disagree totally with the legal system in Pakistan and its Sharia law - I think that as a sovereign nation it has the prerogative to determine for itself how it legislates morality, the law and regulates its people. I also think it is petty for the West to criticize it by measuring its own self against Pakistan.
- You're saying very sensible things.
There is a place to compare and contrast legal systems and to analyze the same - but it is necessary to provide your basis for the criticism that arises when it arises against a culture. The death penalty for instance is neither good nor bad. It is a punishment that a country - may impose and EVERY country does in some form or another - even those opposed to it. Yet - why is it ok in America to put someone to death for theft or murder and not ok to do it in Pakistan for blasphemy. Each country has laws that reflect its personality. There is nothing intrinsically wrong or incorrect about sentencing someone to death for blasphemy. Of course for an atheist culture -it seems superstitious and dumb. Of course for a culture that values free speech above respect for religion - it will seem nonsensical and even undemocratic.
- Care to compare & contrast legal systems? Without the indoctrination & propaganda, & the "I'm strong therefore I'm right".
Yet there is nothing intrinsically wrong about making such a law that reflects where the majority of people in a culture stand. Nor is there anything intrinsically wrong with such a law reflecting ONE dictator in a country. For it to be intrinsically wrong - one would need to provide a basis for determining right and wrong - perhaps that everyone agrees with - not just democratically minded woke Lefties.
- Indeed. Though, you're speaking of customary laws, but this does not apply to natural & divine laws. Democracy is shit system, it's how tribes used to decide matters in the past. Great civilizations, such as the great Persian empires or the Roman empire or the Chinese empires or the Arab & Turkic empires after them, do not prescribe to this primitive nonsense.
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@Yassine
You are making things up about France etc. At this point I don't even know what to argue. I also can't believe that you are defending what China did to the Uyghurs.
Your stance is just bitterness and anger leading to lies.
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@Yassine
Can you explain how abused children are protected from their abusive parents in Islamic cultures?- LOL! Yeah, that's not going to work. Nice red-herring. Why don't you start by addressing these crimes your countries perpetrated against their own children instead of evading the issue at every turn.
This is not a red herring whatsoever. You are calling social services 'abduction and indoctrination'.
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@RationalMadman
You are making things up about France etc.
- It's not because you don't like that it becomes untrue. Everything I said is a FACT, France is my second country. Good luck disproving anything I said. Actually, these types of practices are common in the West, to higher or lesser degrees -with the exception of few (such as the United States).
At this point I don't even know what to argue. I also can't believe that you are defending what China did to the Uyghurs.
- It probably looks like that to you because how bad France is, that it seems like I'm defending China. Also, I do not believe western reports about China's practices in Xinjiang at all, or Hong Kong. Or, for that matter, any western reports about any enemy country, be it Russia, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, or any other country. We know they are always lying, this case is no different.
- Ask yourself, why has every single Muslim country stood with China on the Xinjiang issue, including the Turkic nations? Turkey is starting a war with Russia over Crimea because of the Tatars there, a Turkic people. Erdogan went to war against Armenia who was backed by Russia to support Azeris...etc...etc. Yet, when it came to Uyghur Erdogan & his foreign minister says they are in collaboration with China over the issue. You know why? Because western claims on Uyghur "genocide" is just another propaganda tactic to undermine China, a rising superpower, just like they do with any country they consider an enemy, including Turkey itself. – The West supports separatists literally in every country in the world. In Turkey, it's the PKK (a terrorist Kurdish organization). In China. it's the separatist Uyghurs, Hong Kong & the anti-China Taiwanese. That, to cause instability in these countries, use any crack down against these separatists as an excuse for human rights violations & mostly to have a leverage against these countries for political pressure. – Why don't you support separatists in Western countries? The Basques in France, the Catalonians in Spain, the Bavarians in Germany...etc. – Maybe I'll start a debate over wether this "genocide" is happening or not.
Your stance is just bitterness and anger leading to lies.
- Ad hominem. You're welcome to show where are these lies, which I guarantee you you can't, because all is fact. Ignorance of these facts does not warrant you to deny them. LOL!
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@RationalMadman
This is not a red herring whatsoever. You are calling social services 'abduction and indoctrination'.
- Firstly, it is not me who's calling them that. It is the Nordic Committee for Human Rights that does, if you ever bothered to check their report which I linked. They refer to nordic social services as "child care and abduction industry". You ask for sources, yet you dismiss them when brought up. Secondly, forcibly removing children from their parents is, by definition, abduction. This isn't a label, it's a definition. Lastly, you have yet to address absolutely anything I said. You haven't even attempted to defend these heinous abductions.
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@Yassine
Yes, she has been sentenced to death.- No.
Yes she has been. Sentenced is not the same as having been carried out. She is still in the waiting position - all the different appeals etc and confirmation from the courts have to be conducted first.
She will sit in prison until she is released or until the sentence is carried out. The 20 years of prison was in addition to the death penalty.- No. Lmao! That doesn't even make sense.
Of course it makes sense. She is in prison right now - awaiting for her sentence to be completed. That is how it works in every legal system around the world. Even if the death penalty is determined to scare her - it is still the case.
Yes - maximum penalties but not death. If someone were charged the likely penalty would be a good behavior bond without conviction
Blasphemy is still a charge in many Western Countries - but no one is ever charged with it. And many jurisdictions are discussing removing it from their books.- You just love saying things don't you! Not because things came out of your mouth does that make them true...
Blasphemy is not the same thing as insulting others. It is quite a different law - although somewhat related.
I am not sure what you are talking about - do you have a link? But insulting a black family is not blasphemy.- You seem to want to say racial derogation is not under the category of blasphemy, because it's not designated as such in some countries. That's a fallacy. The merit is not in the label, it's in the content itself. Not because you chose to give it a different name, does that absolve you from the charge. LOL!
On the other hand you want to say it is under that category because it is the way you see it. Same fallacy. I don't consider blasphemy to be simply a racist or insult. It has to be directed towards a religion or religious deity or something that is meant to insult either one.
Anti-semitic slurs and holocaust denial is racist. In places like Germany and France or even Israel these charges would be more aggravating than in most Western nations. 15 years would also be the maximum penalty - not the minimium.- You're all over the place. Which is it?
Not at all. I have distinguished between blasphemy and insults and racist comments. I have distinguished between maximum and minimum penalties. You should really think more about this before you simply post another comment.
For the record, I think blasphemy is a serious matter. Nevertheless, it depends on what country you are in and how the general public perceives it that ought to considered. I would think in a country like Pakistan - that it would aggravating to blaspheme against their predominant religion. If Pakistan was promoting itself as a tolerant country or a multi-cultural nation - it would be silly to have such a law - but it is not its policy or its intent.- How you ever been there? Pakistan is in effect much more tolerant & hospitable than most Western countries, if not all. Derogating others & denigrating their sanctities, such is the case in the West, is the opposite of tolerance.
Never been to Pakistan - I have to Bangladesh. Perhaps I have been misled by the newspapers. Yet I have had missionary friends in Pakistan who testify to much intolerance.
In Australia we have blasphemy laws - never used.- Contrary to your wishful thinking, any profanity against sacred or sensitive things for a people is blasphemy. It doesn't have to be profanity against the Christian faith. What is sacred or sensitive to Pakistanis is not the same as such in Germany, or Australia. Each nation has its own cultural & historical conditions from which such boundaries are set.
I understand this - I never said it was only to Christian faith. Australia historically has been a Christian nation. Yet we have turned secular at least in policy and practice.
Our country might still have a majority of Christians - yet the nation is not promoted as a Christian nation - but as a secular and multi-cultural one.- No. It's not multicultural at all. It's Liberal Secular, unless you mean by 'multi-cultural' superficial diversity, such as skin color & attire & rites & such, as long as said diversity does not affect any systemic institution of the country; namely, law, administration, justice, education, academia...etc.
It is multicultural. And it is liberal secular. It is not polytheistic. Interestingly, only Western nations are multicultural.
In fact - Christianity is pretty much the only religion or worldview that is permitted to be criticized without repercussion - with the justification that they are the majority or have been pretty horrible in the past and that they deserve any ridicule they receive now.- This is total BS, especially in Australia. I don't think I've seen a more Islamophobic country in the Anglosphere than Australia. Christianity in the West is not really criticized as Islam is, for the former is the default cultural religion, while the later is the time-immemorial enemy religion. The Christian faith is pretty well understood & the overwhelming sentiment about its founder -Christ- & its ideals are very positive -never vilified or demonized at any noticeable degree. The opposite is the case for public sentiment about Islam, even if in truth the contrary is the case. – In fact, & in the same way, Islam is constantly criticized by all sorts of modernist groups in the Arab & Muslim world, by secularist, liberals, nationalists, atheists, even christians...
Sorry - you are incorrect. In Australia - there may be some Islamphobic people - but not generally. We are quite tolerant of Islam and actively promote it - especially the Greens - and the Woke left who are trying to promote what they call tolerance - against the Christian religions. Come out to the country towns - they are very happy to set up a Mosque or a Hindu temple - but if a church wants to plant a new church - large hurdles and finally not approved. No one wants to offend the other faiths and risk getting canceled. We have a law that says no knives at school. A hindu wore a ceremonial knife to school attacked another child. He was allowed to keep his knife and was not prosecuted. But a christian boy prayed with another christian child at school- he was sent home and then expelled.
If someone criticized the Muslim religion here or the Hindu religion they may well be canceled for being intolerant. Yet Christians if they suggest we want to have a nativity scene at Christmas time - get told to shut up and stop being tiring. Of course the law is still the case that if someone came into a church and disrupted it - it is a criminal offence. I am not sure that anyone would really care- - but it is a criminal offence.- I'm more familiar with Australian news than you might've hoped. Australia is the country with the most anti-Islamic in the anglophone world.
nonsense. You seem to be totally lost in your own little world. None of my Muslim acquaintances would agree with you.
For someone to be sentenced to death in a Muslim Country for disrespecting Muslim ideals is to be expected. Pakistan is not pretending to be a democracy.- Despite my vehement dislike of the tribal system that is democracy, Pakistan is actually a democracy, sadly!
I'm no fan of pure democracy. But what is the alternative?
- There is fare more free speech in Pakistan for a Muslim than in any western country. I could say a 100 things which would get me in serious trouble in western countries, yet nobody would care about in Pakistan. Drop this "free speech" nonsense. No state allows speech which undermines it, by design, else self-destruction. I can't understand why westerners don't get that this type of propaganda does not work with the rest of the World.
Forgive me for not agreeing with you. My point is Pakistan is not pretending to be a Western nation with Western Values. I also think you have a different view of free speech than I do.
They are not the same as Western Laws - so for Western People to be upset is simply intolerant and inconsistent.- The West will always be upset about how others conduct their business if doesn't fit with their current feelings, which they think are absolute universals. That, since the time when they had virtually no rights & all violence. The 19th century Ottomans had religious freedom, legal pluralism, rights of property, divorce, education for women, animal rights, of which Europe had none, yet that didn't stop them from being upset & critical. This is part of the very Western mentality & thought paradigm, that's how they justify themselves, & hence their crimes instigated against "evil" & "lesser" others . This mentality is sick & needs to disappear.
And the non west will always be envious of the West. Not of their value systems but of their wealth and prosperity. And of their authority and power in the world. The non-west may well not desire the wealth or prosperity - but it does cause them to question their own faith. And even if it does not cause the oldies to question their faith - the youngsters are influenced and are attracted to the West and its attractions. For the record, this applies to many Christian families as well. Many Christian Family despise the materialism and value system of the West and have reverted to home-schooling and separating themselves from the mass media of the West.
There is a place to compare and contrast legal systems and to analyze the same - but it is necessary to provide your basis for the criticism that arises when it arises against a culture. The death penalty for instance is neither good nor bad. It is a punishment that a country - may impose and EVERY country does in some form or another - even those opposed to it. Yet - why is it ok in America to put someone to death for theft or murder and not ok to do it in Pakistan for blasphemy. Each country has laws that reflect its personality. There is nothing intrinsically wrong or incorrect about sentencing someone to death for blasphemy. Of course for an atheist culture -it seems superstitious and dumb. Of course for a culture that values free speech above respect for religion - it will seem nonsensical and even undemocratic.- Care to compare & contrast legal systems? Without the indoctrination & propaganda, & the "I'm strong therefore I'm right".
It is not a matter of indoctrination or no indoctrination - but rather whose indoctrination. The West indoctrinates the non-west and the non-west indoctrinates the West - we all do it. We would not call it this. We would prefer to say we are educating our people or other people with the truth. But whose truth?
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@Tradesecret
Yes she has been. Sentenced is not the same as having been carried out. She is still in the waiting position - all the different appeals etc and confirmation from the courts have to be conducted first.
- It doesn't matter how many times you keep saying it, the facts in the ground are otherwise. Moving on.
Of course it makes sense. She is in prison right now - awaiting for her sentence to be completed. That is how it works in every legal system around the world. Even if the death penalty is determined to scare her - it is still the case.
- You are literally contradicting your previous comment. Cool!
Yes - maximum penalties but not death.
- So, same as Pakistan.
If someone were charged the likely penalty would be a good behavior bond without conviction
- Wishful thinking. Stick to the facts.
Blasphemy is not the same thing as insulting others. It is quite a different law - although somewhat related.
- You're right, hence the links about *blasphemy*. No need for equivocation. Blasphemy is the denigration or violation of sanctities & sensibilities or a people. Although they overlap, some blasphemy is not hate speech & some hate speech is not blasphemy. The aforementioned Holocaust denial is blasphemy, not hate speech at all. Saying "let's kill Muslims" is hate speech, though not blasphemy. Denigrating the beloved Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) is blasphemy & also hate speech, for it incites hate. – Without blasphemy laws, a Hindu denigrating the beloved Prophet (pbuh) in Pakistan will result in him being lynched or his temple being destroyed the next day. Actions have consequences, if I insult your mother, there is a chance I'll be hospitalized for it, regardless of the legality of it. Denigrating the sanctities of others will result in some of them retaliating regardless of risks, unless they know the law will take care of it. – Similar things could be argued for Nazi advocacy in Germany, or "nigger" calling in the US.
On the other hand you want to say it is under that category because it is the way you see it. Same fallacy.
- False. I argue from definition, you argue from labels. You remind me of a Chinese restaurant in Paris I once went to. They had "Halal" labels on pork chops. LOL! Labels =/= meanings.
I don't consider blasphemy to be simply a racist or insult. It has to be directed towards a religion or religious deity or something that is meant to insult either one.
- Who says blasphemy is identical to hate speech?! Blasphemy relates to people's sanctities & high sensitivities, which are different from one nation to another. The importance of Christianity may have been replaced with other ideals & conditions in the various western countries, that doesn't mean blasphemy is no more; rather new different boundaries.
Not at all. I have distinguished between blasphemy and insults and racist comments.
- You haven't. You've literally designated things which are exclusively blasphemy, such as Holocaust denial, as insults & racist... Holocaust denying may be done in racist intent, but it is not itself racist or hate speech. Labeling Holocaust denial or Israel criticism as "anti-semitic" is just that, labels.
I have distinguished between maximum and minimum penalties. You should really think more about this before you simply post another comment.
- And...?! Maximum & minimum penalties are largely arbitrary. The point is the criminalization itself. You could get 15 years in prison for a crime in one state, & none right across to the next state or next county. That said, if Austria had the same level of unrest & instability as Pakistan does, it would definitely raise its 20 years of prison sentence to death penalty. We see in the US as well, at the height of the Cold War, communist advocacy was criminalized, sometimes punishable up to death penalty.
Never been to Pakistan - I have to Bangladesh. Perhaps I have been misled by the newspapers. Yet I have had missionary friends in Pakistan who testify to much intolerance.
- From missionaries...? I'm not surprised. Missionaries are extremely despised in the Muslim world, unless in public forums & designated areas. – I once met a couple of missionaries on a train, I asked them how do you know your religion is true. One of them held the Bible to his heart & said "faith" with a big smile on his face. I admire the devotion, but that wasn't a very successful response for someone there to proselytize. – But they do know how to get attention. Another time I was with a friend, this group of missionary pretty girls came to argue with us. I intellectually destroyed them, but my friend was head over heals over one of them. He even started following her around... Do visit Pakistan though, the most real & safe place you could wish for.
I understand this - I never said it was only to Christian faith. Australia historically has been a Christian nation. Yet we have turned secular at least in policy and practice.
- Hence boundaries of blasphemy are different.
It is multicultural. And it is liberal secular. It is not polytheistic. Interestingly, only Western nations are multicultural.
- False. By now you should realize that we do not subscribe to the labels they indoctrinate you into. Western nations are strictly the least multi-cultural in History. As I said, what you intend by multi-cultural is superficial diversity. As long as the appearance is different, skin-color, attire, gender, rites... then it's diverse. In reality, however, the Western Secular Liberal system is deeply anti-diversity. It does not allow for any minority or challenging culture or worldview in any real sense, i.e. in any systemic institution whatsoever, be it in legislation, administration, military, criminal code, civil matters, education, academia, research, mainstream media, intelligence...etc. In time, after few generations, all minority languages, cultures, values, customs, faiths... annihilated into the 'melting pot'. – Contrast this to Islamic rule, which is a community-based rule. Each community can live in their own territories, practice their own religious morality, issue their own rulings, establish their own courts, legislate their own laws, enact their own local policies, elect their own leaders, run their own budges; while preserving their own languages & culture, whence they can establish their own schools & education systems. None of this is even remotely granted in the "multicultural" West. LMAO!
Sorry - you are incorrect. In Australia - there may be some Islamphobic people - but not generally. We are quite tolerant of Islam and actively promote it - especially the Greens - and the Woke left who are trying to promote what they call tolerance - against the Christian religions. Come out to the country towns - they are very happy to set up a Mosque or a Hindu temple - but if a church wants to plant a new church - large hurdles and finally not approved. No one wants to offend the other faiths and risk getting canceled. We have a law that says no knives at school. A hindu wore a ceremonial knife to school attacked another child. He was allowed to keep his knife and was not prosecuted. But a christian boy prayed with another christian child at school- he was sent home and then expelled.
- You're looking in the wrong place. The acceptance of Islam among some does not speak for the rest. The acceptance of China amongst some Australians does not entail there is overall favorability. According to a 2019 poll, "51% of Australians had unfavourable sentiments towards Islam, and only 10% looked upon the religion positively, making Australia more negative than 17 of the other 22 countries surveyed. In fact, 37% of people said they were “very unfavourable”– the most negative response available."
nonsense. You seem to be totally lost in your own little world. None of my Muslim acquaintances would agree with you.
- Yet, it is a fact. Maybe you belong a relatively moderate community.
I'm no fan of pure democracy. But what is the alternative?
- Pretty much every other thing is better than democracy. The "it's bad but it's the best we got" is the worst propaganda piece I've seen. In truth, western countries themselves did not get rich & successful because of this shit system, democracy happened after the fact. Most were imperialist dictatorships or monarchies or military republics. The reason the West loves to promote democracy elsewhere, is to make other countries vulnerable to western influence & interference. A state run by mob-rule is the easiest to control, just a little propaganda & bribery, play on people's fears & you could have anybody take lead -which a country like the US can easily afford to fund, as is the case. This is impossible in monarchies or native dictatorships. A native dictator with popular support (not a puppet leader) seeks to develop his country & its military at any cost to defend his rule from foreign influence. That is why the only way the US can remove them is through military intervention or extreme sanctions, as they used to do against literally every disobedient leader who dares act out against their hegemony. Thankfully, they can't act with such impunity anymore.
Forgive me for not agreeing with you. My point is Pakistan is not pretending to be a Western nation with Western Values.
- That's irrelevant to the issue of blasphemy. & it does not change the fact that a Muslim has a lot more freedom of speech in Pakistan than any western country. What you want from "freedom of speech" is the kind that agrees with your worldview & political interests.
I also think you have a different view of free speech than I do.
- Yes, you have a fantasized view of 'free-speech' that has no real substance, from so much indoctrination & propaganda. In truth, there is virtually no real free-speech in the Western system, compared to the Islamic system. Under Islamic rule, freedom of participation & exchange of challenging ideas & non-Muslim worldview was granted to minorities in the academic & political sphere, while propaganda & proselytization in public sphere was banned, where it’s easy to prey on weak-minded & impressionable people. Under Secular Liberal rule, participation & exchange of non-secular non-liberal non-western worldviewes are completely banned from any minority in the academic & political sphere, while freedom of speech is granted to propaganda & proselytization in the public sphere, where ideas have virtually no impact on the Thought & Politics of the nation. – Hence, no real freedom of speech is actually granted in any western country. Lemme ask you, can a Muslim scholar teach Sharia in an Australian university?
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@Tradesecret
And the non west will always be envious of the West. Not of their value systems but of their wealth and prosperity. And of their authority and power in the world.
- You must realize this is also a lie. "They envy us" has to be one of the most ridiculous pieces of propaganda spread in your countries. You want to know the general impression of the rest of the world about the West? It's grievance. Virtually every country has suffered greatly from Western aggression & exploitation, of the cruelest degree. Grievances die hard. Also, this isn't the case anymore.
And of their authority and power in the world.
- Sometimes it's good to get out of one's own bubble & try to see the world from someone else's perspective. The average westerner's view on history is to run from the "dark" past towards a more & prosperous progressive future, for indeed Europe comes from a dark past into a glorious future. This is not the memory of most other peoples in the world, which are generally nostalgic about their glorious pasts. Muslims, for instance, dominated the economic, political, scientific, literary, artistic, commercial, military & technological global spheres for TEN centuries. The combined GDP of Muslim states from the 8th century until the 18th century was more than 50% global share, sometimes beyond 70%. Until the 1700s, the GDP of the Ottoman empire alone was larger or equivalent to the rest of Europe combined, that of the Mughal empire was much larger. In per capita terms then, Ottoman's income was 5 times higher than France's. Further back in the past, Europe's weight in the world was virtually non-existent. 11th century Britain had a smaller economy than a single province of Sicily. Before that, Andalusia's economy (Muslim Spain) was several times the rest of Europe combined. A comparison between 13th century France & Mali, Timbuktu's university had 25k students & 1 million books, Paris's Sorbonne had less than 1700 books. – This is also true for China, which controlled between a fifth & a third of global economy & trade...etc.
The non-west may well not desire the wealth or prosperity
- If you mean western style exploitation & pillaging, then I agree. However, the world is going back to its pre-19th century state of affairs. From post-WWII to last year, Western share of global real GDP dropped from 60% to less than a third, while the Islamic world's share (OIC countries) increased from 9% to a sixth, & rising at 5 times the rate; China's real GDP share went from about 5% after the war to over a fifth today -despite all the western interference & invasions & sanctions against these countries, & also in spite of the insane privileges the US & Europe have due to their reserve currencies, control of global trade & brain drain. On average, an American has an extra $100k of free money (without labour) just because the USD is a reserve currency. This is obviously not real prosperity, it's theft & it's unsustainable.
- but it does cause them to question their own faith. And even if it does not cause the oldies to question their faith - the youngsters are influenced and are attracted to the West and its attractions.
- This will always be true for some. 'The dominated are ever infatuated with emulating the dominator' Ibn Khaldun. Western dominion, however, is both powerful & oppressive. Power naturally induces submission, while Oppression induces resistance & retaliation. It's human nature to protest injustice. Hence, the conflicting reactions towards the West, some will submit & emulate, while others will protest & retaliate -depending on which side of power or oppression triumphs. As to the "youngsters", those are a small minority. Even here in Turkey, one of the most secular Muslim countries, only a fifth of the population are secularists, largely due to the western education they receive.
For the record, this applies to many Christian families as well. Many Christian Family despise the materialism and value system of the West and have reverted to home-schooling and separating themselves from the mass media of the West.
- Islam is not anti-wealth, it's anti-greed & exploitation. There is nothing wrong with being rich; the poor can also be greedy.
It is not a matter of indoctrination or no indoctrination - but rather whose indoctrination. The West indoctrinates the non-west and the non-west indoctrinates the West - we all do it. We would not call it this. We would prefer to say we are educating our people or other people with the truth. But whose truth?
- This is false. Parents should educate their children, not the state. In the West, all children are systematically & compulsorily indoctrinated into the liberal secular worldview without chance of alternative. This is worse than even the worst periods of Church domination of Europe. That is the difference between great fancy labels such as "freedom of thought" & "freedom of religion" & the actual reality. In truth, there has never been a more totalitarian state in Human History than the western modern nation-state. A state that is into everybody's business in everything.
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@Lunar108
Muslim woman, 26, is sentenced to death by hanging for blasphemy in Pakistan after sending caricatures of Prophet Mohammed over WhatsApp
- A Muslim woman, 26, has been sentenced to death in Pakistan for blasphemy
- She was convicted of sending caricatures of Prophet Muhammad via WhatsApp
- Blasphemy is punishable by the death sentence in Muslim-majority Pakistan
- But an execution has never been carried out as courts have overruled sentence
Not the first person that gets the death penalty for insulting the prophet of islam the worst person to ever walk the earthThe trial court in the northern Pakistani city of Rawalpindi on Wednesday sentenced Aneeqa Ateeq under the country’s strict blasphemy laws, which impose a mandatory death penalty for insulting the Prophet Muhammad.===============================================================================A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (ﷺ) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (ﷺ) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (ﷺ) was informed about it.He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.He sat before the Prophet (ﷺ) and said: Messenger of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.Thereupon the Prophet (ﷺ) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.Grade:Sahih (Al-Albani)-authentic-Reference: Sunan Abi Dawud 4361In-book reference: Book 40, Hadith 11English translation: Book 39, Hadith 4348Not the first time someone is killed for insulting muhammad===================================islam have been killing people for insulting the benevolent or should I say malevolent prophet of islam since the beginning of islamin the hadith mentioned before muhammad stated that " no retaliation is payable for her blood " sounds extremely benevolent
Muslims need to send more virgins to Paradise. With the rate of Muslim Martyrs growing and 72 virgins promised to each Muslim martyr. Virgins have to be recruited from Muslim countries because they are harder to find in Christian countries.
With the economy hurting in Muslim countries muslim men cannot afford to have 4 wives as dictated by Islam. This is creating a rise in unmarried Muslims Women and contributing to the explosion of virgins.